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  1. This is not a Jeffries instrument, but a modern Hayden Duet instrument made specially for myself by a modern maker. Inventor.
  2. Regarding bisonoric buttons I had confused myself into thinking that you also intended to add "Midi" to the concertina. However I see that Midi was only required in the thread that Don Taylor referred back to. I still would not advise them on a Duet concertina. I have a couple at the top end of my large (69 button) concertina, and often play them in the wrong direction ! Inventor.
  3. Quick answer to Isel's 51st button question - "none of these" ! Once you go beyond 46 buttons, I would put the priority on adding the Key of Bb to the easy-peasy options. Certainly players of traditional dance music in New England U.S.A. think so. This is the thinking behind both the Beaumont and Peacock. There might be different priorities in Spain ? For the 4 buttons to make 50, I would go for adding a low Bb & eb to the left hand side and the corresponding bb and eb' at the bottom left hand corner of the right side. These to be added into the center of the reed-pan of an existing instrument. However if starting from scratch on a newly made instrument: I would recommend putting both the low Bb and c on a deeper box in the center of the reed-pan, with the corresponding right hand notes similarly on the right hand; then putting the eb & eb' round the edge of the pans. Button 51 :- I would add a high eb" to the right hand side. This would repeat the d#" that you already have, but greatly facilitates playing in the key of Bb . So where would this go you may ask ! If you look inside the right hand of a Wheatstone 46 button concertina you will see that there are two very small blank spaces at the top left hand side. Added together there is sufficient space to add another note round the circumference of the reed-pan. To do all this really requires a whole new right hand reed-pan, and a rebuild of the right hand action with a certain amount of criss-cross action to prevent action levers being too short. I am totally aware that doing all of this will totally negate any guaranty you have on the instrument. You asked me a question and I have given you my best answer. Probably if you want a 51 button in a 6.25" hexagon, the best answer is to commission a new instrument made along the lines I suggest. I see that another four replies have arrived since I started to type this, so other solutions may have been put forward. If you are considering adding midi don't even consider bisonoric notes, for whilst this is possible (and has been done on melodeons) it is an absolute minefield to get it to work. Inventor.
  4. P.S. I can see a way of upping the reed count to 51 buttons for a Hayden Duet in a 6.25 Hexagon, without compromising the reed scale of the lower pitch reeds. This would not easy but it would be just possible, and might mean leaving out an air button. As mentioned you just need to play a note to evacuate the air before putting the concertina away in it's case, and I have heard this done by many English concertina players over the years. Inventor.
  5. The Wheatstone standard 46 button Hayden Duet (21 L & 25 R) is a 6.25 " Hexagon. The reeds are set out radially as are almost all Wheatstone concertinas. I personally have never ever needed an air button whilst playing, and have only ever used an air button before starting or after finishing. The 46 button Wheatstone has an air button incorporated into the front of the right hand, hand rest, which was specially designed by Steve Dickinson, and which opens onto the round hole in the center of the reed-pan. Inventor.
  6. There is one factor about the construction of the Bandoneon which alters the timbre. This is placing the reeds on continuous rather than individual reed plates. Russian "Bayan" accordions are also constructed in this way which gives the timbre that Russians favor. I suggest you find someone who plays a Russian Bayan and see if this is what you are looking for. I once had a concertina made in Moscow by a bayan accordion maker which had all the reeds of each side on a single plate. This instrument had a timbre much closer to the sound of a traditional concertina than a hybrid accordion reeded concertina. Inventor.
  7. My suggestion for a solution depends on the structure of the inside of a Stagi Hayden concertina, which I have never seen, but perhaps someone might put a picture of these on this website. It assumes that the accordion style reed plates are mounted on accordion style reed blocks. 1) Obtain a second-hand 46 button Stagi Hayden concertina. 2) Starting with the lowest pitch reeds, take out the reed plates one row at a time and prepare to replace them two spaces along the row. 3) Lengthen the tone chambers to fit the reed plate that is two whole tones lower in pitch. You should end up with a row with two empty spaces at the bottom and a pair of reed plates left over. 4) Repeat this for for the next highest run of notes 5) On the third run of notes use the two left over reed plates from the first run, to fit into the first two tone chambers, moving the other reed plates along as before. 6) Repeat (5) on the fourth row of each side and the fifth row of the right hand side. 7) Buy the extra 8 missing reed plates (i.e. the Abs, Bbs, Dbs & Ebs ). These shouldn't be too expensive if you buy second hand from an accordion repairer. Fit these as before. 😎 You will also have to touch up the tuning, as the pitch of reeds may change a bit when they are moved around. This will now be a Hayden concertina in Db, Ab, Eb, Bb, F & C. Inventor.
  8. Yes that is the air button in the handle. Steve Dickinson's instruments (i.e. present day Wheatstone's) have a wonderful response and dynamic range, and are of the very finest quality. If you like The Hayden system, sell the car and mortgage the house to buy it ! Inventor.
  9. Please let me scotch the myth about Duet concertinas being difficult; this only really applies to the MACCAN duet. A CRANE Duet is fairly straightforward, and the HAYDEN duet is very easy. The ELISE (Hayden system) duet is of the same quality and cost as the ROCHELLE. To try out this system find someone with an iphone and they will be able to show you a playable version of the Hayden keyboard on screen. Inventor.
  10. You should get in touch with the - International Concertina Association - (ICA), they have a web site . Most of their members are English Concertina players, who are mostly classical rather than folk orientated players. When I first started playing concertina, in the sixties, (Anglo, coming from Melodeon), I asked Father Kenneth Loveless, (the then President of the ICA); who I knew through meetings of Morris Ring, EFDSS courses, and Sidmouth Festival; about the ICA, should I join ? However he told me that practically all the members were classical music reading English Concertina players, and as an ear playing Anglo player, I might not have much in common with them. It wasn't until many years later when I had taken up a duet concertina, that I finally joined the ICA. I am not decrying the ICA who are now much more open to all different kinds of music, and have many more Anglo and Duet players than they ever used to, but I think that you (McDouglas) might enjoy the meetings or weekends of one their associated groups. Inventor. P.S. On playing at the Albert Hall:- At the Tango Concert, the penultimate night of this seasons Albert Hall Proms, I was disappointed that the Bandoneon players were practically drowned out by the totally unneeded full orchestra behind them. Inventor.
  11. Corrected spelling of Harry Geuns, Found his website from "concertina makers" on concertina.net. Inventor.
  12. Harry Geuns recently (probably about a year ago) offered to make a batch of Hayden Squares. He also makes Chemnitzers. He needed about ten people to sign up to buy one. About five or six showed an interest, but not enough. It will be on this web site somewhere if you wanted to follow it up. It took me 20 years to sell the first batch of Bastari Squares. I would be 100 by then. My mother made it to 95, but I doubt it if I make it that far !
  13. Unfortunately there are security issues surrounding the whereabouts of valuable instruments. No matter how much you might insure an instrument for, you may still end up at the bottom of a seven plus year waiting list for a replacement. Inventor.
  14. Made by Robin Scard. 1 offs by H Crabb & sons (the very first), Nicoli of Moscow, Marcus of Wales, Connor, and recently a small one by Alex Holden; I hope he will make more. There were also conversions made by Neville Crabb, and Dana Johnson. I attempted a conversion, years ago when I very first had the idea, but didn't end up with a playable instrument. I Have written about this instrument several times. Inventor.
  15. My instrument goes up to an A (same as the top note of a full sized piano-accordion, 3 semitones below to top note of a 48 button standard treble English concertina). The amber bellows metal button concertina goes up to the G a tone below mine, and only down to a G (the same as the bottom note of a baritone English concertina). Inventor.
  16. The black and white are not for my benefit, as I had previously played instruments with all the same colored buttons. They were to clearly show how the key of C sat on the instrument. Then to demonstrate that by moving to the right you added sharps (and lost the farthest leftmost white buttons), or by moving to the left you added flats (and lost the farthest rightmost white buttons). Inventor.
  17. The instrument is similar to the one shown. but with a few more buttons. These buttons are black and white like the keys on a piano, so that I could easily show people how the system worked. Inventor.
  18. I am playing the concertina pictured. The reeds are real concertina reeds, lowest is an F a tone below the G mentioned. Tune is Speaking Waltz, which I learned from a Peter Kennedy recording of the Donegal fiddler John Docherty. Sorry about the bad ending. Inventor.
  19. That looks like a really really good selection of buttons. Will have to find out what iPhones and iPads are ! Inventor.
  20. Yes this is a double reeded instrument (octaves), accordion reeds. This instrument is discussed elsewhere on concertina.net. I had a batch of them made by Bastari in Italy. Inventor.
  21. Simple answer is "no". I am not very good at electronic things. However I have seen many people sitting in front of me with recorders at WCCP concertina weekends, so there must be many recordings of my live performances somewhere. One particular recording that I remember from a time when I was at my best on on my 68 button instrument, was a 4 part harmony of the first part of Handel's "Overture to the Royal Fireworks". Inventor.
  22. Have a good look at Alex Holden's metal capped button making on his website. The next to last cap size looked good to me, but maybe I am being greedy ! He does mention the possibility of just one extra tool to finish up at 6.35 mm. The 6.25" size across the "flats" is a really nice size for a concertina; anything much larger than 8" can be a problem. Steve Dickenson fitted 46 buttons onto the 6.25" size instrument, which is just about the minimum needed for a really useful Hayden duet. Inventor.
  23. Regarding button size: I can only recommend, but obviously cannot control what makers and manufactures actually produce. As pointed out even for my personal instrument, 6mm was as big as Colin was willing to go. Button Box do do large (but not flat top) buttons; and Concertina Connection do do flat top (but normal size) buttons. Makers are set up with tooling to produce buttons in quantity, and duet concertinas are just a small sideline to their main production of English and/or Anglo concertinas. Steve Dickenson has tooling to make the small hemispherical metal top buttons, inherited from the original Wheatstone factory. I don't personally like these: however when he offered to make me a complete batch of 10; I naturally jumped at the chance. This led me to more experimentation on the size and shape of the buttons. With the Elise that is the standard button size for all the concertinas that Concertina Connection have made in China. Inventor.
  24. I have absolutely no difficulty playing BOTH fourths and fifths with one finger. On my larger (68 button) Hayden duet I can play every fourth AND every fifth interval that falls within the compass of the instrument, with only one finger. The rows of buttons are closer together (9mm), than the usual column concertina distance (11mm). On this instrument I have large (6mm) flat top buttons, the centers of which are 12mm diagonally away from the buttons that are both a fourth or a fifth higher and lower. Most standard column concertinas have smaller buttons (usually 4mm); so all in all the span is about the same. I am sorry to be so pedantic; but I did an awful lot of work to arrive at the optimum sizes distances and angles, for my type of concertina. Inventor.
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