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40 minutes ago, Geoff Wooff said:

There  is  a  Suttner  A2  (C/G)  with  Jeffries  layout  for  sale  in  France.  Asking  price  €4500.  Located  near  Lille.

 

www.leboncoin.fr     and  search  concertina.

 

Cheers Geoff - I'll check it out!

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Last winter, happenstance led to my having 4 different Jeffries and a Dipper on my dining room table, so I took the rare opportunity to carefully compare each of them. They were quite different instruments - 3 Bb/F, including a 50 button C. Jeffries, a 30 bone button C. Jeffries and a 30 metal button Jeffries Bros. The C/G a 30 bone button identical to the Bb/F. 

 

The biggest impressions on the two of us who were playing them was that they all felt quite different to play. Although they all played really well, each had its own characteristic feel, but at the end of the day they were all uniquely Jeffries instruments. The sound shared that characteristic - each of them had a slightly different voice and volume, but were easily identifiable as Jeffries. My thought is that they were probably all very consistent early in their lives, but depending on how they were played and treated over the years, as well as who had worked on them over their long lives, led to the differences. 

 

I think Suttners as well as the other great makers are likely the same. Instruments today that are relatively young will have a high degree of consistency across the board. The next 100+ years of experience will lead each of them down different paths. 

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6 minutes ago, Pgidley said:

Last winter, happenstance led to my having 4 different Jeffries and a Dipper on my dining room table, so I took the rare opportunity to carefully compare each of them. They were quite different instruments - 3 Bb/F, including a 50 button C. Jeffries, a 30 bone button C. Jeffries and a 30 metal button Jeffries Bros. The C/G a 30 bone button identical to the Bb/F. 

 

 

Pgidley - I haven't had the opportunity to see or play a Dipper before! I've heard fantastic things about the Dipper concertinas though - would you rate it highly? 

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33 minutes ago, Crabb97 said:

 

Pgidley - I haven't had the opportunity to see or play a Dipper before! I've heard fantastic things about the Dipper concertinas though - would you rate it highly? 

Yes, its a lovely instrument. It has a distinctive tone of its own and is light and responsive. I had to make a decision whether to keep the Jeffries C/G or the Dipper and the Dipper won out in the end. We don't see as many Suttners on this side of the Atlantic, but I would rate Carrolls right alongside each of them, just to make your decision a bit more difficult. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Pgidley said:

Last winter, happenstance led to my having 4 different Jeffries and a Dipper on my dining room table, so I took the rare opportunity to carefully compare each of them. They were quite different instruments - 3 Bb/F, including a 50 button C. Jeffries, a 30 bone button C. Jeffries and a 30 metal button Jeffries Bros. The C/G a 30 bone button identical to the Bb/F. 

I had a road trip in October which took me, with another contributor here , from Chris Algar to Jake Middleton-Metcalfe via the Dippers and Mr Wheatstone (Steve Dickinson), also visiting yet another contributor with a collection of high quality Jeffries.  Overall, we had the opportunity to try over 20 Jeffries (Some original and some restored & retuned by Dipper or Wheatstone), 3 Dippers, 3 Wheatstone concertinas (1 vintage, 1 new), 2 or 3 Wolvertons and a selection of Lachenals. No Suttners, Carrolls, Holdens or Kensingtons on this trip unfortunately.

 

As has been said, all were terrific (the Lachenals being at a lower playability and price level), all were different to play and of a high quality.  Impossible to say "That one was the best" which all could agree on, although each person might have a different opinion.  Yes, of course there is variability between individual instruments from the same atelier and some might suit one person better than another (either because of keys, pitch, size, weight, undefinable sound quality).

 

The road trip may be reported elsewhere (when I get round to it), but my point is that the best vintage or modern instruments are all good and which one is right for you depends on a lot of factors including budget.  The only answer is to try as many as you can - but stop short of thinking that the "best" one is still out there just waiting for you to find it!

 

Alex West

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3 hours ago, Pgidley said:

Yes, its a lovely instrument. It has a distinctive tone of its own and is light and responsive. I had to make a decision whether to keep the Jeffries C/G or the Dipper and the Dipper won out in the end. We don't see as many Suttners on this side of the Atlantic, but I would rate Carrolls right alongside each of them, just to make your decision a bit more difficult. 

 

 

Ya I looked at the Dipper's website but couldn't see any mention of price or waiting time - has anyone on here dealt with the Dippers recently or would have an idea? Thanks

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3 hours ago, Alex West said:

I had a road trip in October which took me, with another contributor here , from Chris Algar to Jake Middleton-Metcalfe via the Dippers and Mr Wheatstone (Steve Dickinson), also visiting yet another contributor with a collection of high quality Jeffries.  Overall, we had the opportunity to try over 20 Jeffries (Some original and some restored & retuned by Dipper or Wheatstone), 3 Dippers, 3 Wheatstone concertinas (1 vintage, 1 new), 2 or 3 Wolvertons and a selection of Lachenals. No Suttners, Carrolls, Holdens or Kensingtons on this trip unfortunately.

 

 

Alex, sounds like the dream trip for a concertina enthusiast!!!

 

Where did you try that many Jeffries? Seems like they are far and few between these days

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At the time we visited him, Chris Algar had around 25 Jeffries on his shelf.  We didn't try all of them.  There are people in this world with multiple Jeffries - if you know where to find them, and can get a couple of friends together for some music, it's possible to get quite a few together in one place ;)

 

Alex West

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