Alex West

A saw that one as well Andy, but given that it was difficult to tell whether it was an Anglo or English from the auctioneer's photo, I gave it a very swift swerve at well below the selling price. If it was Chris who was the low bidder, then maybe it's even worth what you paid! (mind you, you could always learn to play the uke - or the German accordion!) Alex West

Fleadh Crabb concertinas have been made since 1860 starting with John Crabb and over 4 generations to Geoff Crabb who's still making them. Crabb have made all types of concertina (English, Anglo, Duet) in all the sizes over this timescale. So with this history and wide range of products, it's difficult to generalise and give opinions which are valid for all. As Daniel has said, their quality is in the upper range and their best are very very good indeed. Early Jeffries anglo concertinas were most probably made by Crabb (see this article http://www.concertina.net/rd_crabb.html) so there should be no obvious and immediate reason why Crabb instruments aren't of equivalent merit, equivalent value and equivalent price to a C Jeffries instrument. However, the auction results tell a different story - at least on the price front. The ultimate test is whether the instrument in front of you is right for you in tone and playability. Again, as Daniel has suggested, try the instrument in question. Alex West

At today's exchange rate, $9,000 - $12,000 is roughly £5,500 - £7,500. The Button Box have a couple of Jeffries within this range and Andy's auction results seem to indicate that the retail price of a restored Jeffries from a recognised dealer in the UK is also within this range; maybe higher for a particularly good example. So I think it's OK to say that if you particularly want a Jeffries, it's reasonable to expect to pay £5,000 - £8,000 In 1899, a good Jeffries cost 7 guineas - using the concertina.com historic convertor, this is the equivalent of around £3,000 today, so on that basis, I agree, the relative price of a Jeffries has increased to an unreasonable degree. That's the trouble with a relative price for an antique - it's only unreasonable if it's a high price compared with the going rate. There is no "absolute" value on such things to be able to say whether today's prices are unreasonable or not.... It's not unreasonable that if you want a painting by Monet, you're going to have to pay many millions of $ or £, no matter how much Monet charged for them new or whether the prices are high compared to a modern piece of art Alex West

Andy You may need to check your calculations. Buyer's premium at Charterhouse is 19.5% and VAT of 20% is only charged on the buyer's premium so the total bill to the auction house was only £5183 (assuming you could have collected yourself and didn't need their packing service - there seem to be 2 levels of buyer's premium quoted in their terms but 19.5% seems to be the highest) - so that's a litle shy of £6,000, even though this instrument does appear to have sold at a relatively high level. Charterhouse only had one photograph and didn't know the pitch of the instrument or have any other good description of the quality. Nevertheless the picture seemed to indicate that the instrument was in good external order. Let's assume that the winner had seen the instrument, had a chance to play it had been able to look at the reeds and reckoned this was an instrument at the upper end of quality needing no repair work and no tuning and was in the preferred keys of C/G. Such an instrument would be on sale through a recognised dealer at £6,000 and maybe even well above (and I think we can assume that the recognised dealers would have heard of the auction and were bidding), so the auction price still represents a profit of £800 - or at least 13% to the dealer and if a private person bought it, then he saved 13% on the "retail" price. Even in today's econmomic situation, £6,000 to £7,000 for a top quality Jeffries is not unreasonable. Even recognising the availability of quality instruments made by others, a Jeffries sound and history still carries a cachet that many will prize and pay for. Of course, if the instrument required repair and tuning and was in a less preferred key, then the dealer might be taking a bath or be hopeful of selling it for more than £6,000. The instrument at Lawrences didn't look to be the same quality, but again, if you can physically see it and determine what work needed doing to bring it to top quality level, then you might make a judgement that it was worth every penny. If you still want that £100 Jeffries in the attic or charity shop, it may be there, but you may have a long time to wait and be exceptionally lucky. Don't expect such a bargain at a public auction though! Alex West

Here's a suggestion from my son who runs a tea business from his home in China. http://www.minrivertea.com/blog/tea-roots-soak-up-bad-smells/ Maybe not so easy unless you have a supply of tea stems and roots but I'll ask him if the leaves would do as well (but you may not be able to get a decent cuppa out of them afterwards!) If anyone's seriously intersted, I'm sure he'd be able to get a bag of the leavings to you Alex West

I don't think this necessarily qualifies as "smoke", but I've noticed with old anglos which I've been restoring that the right hand side is nearly always significantly dirtier and in poorer condition than the left hand side. My rationale for this is that in the old hexagonal cases, the left side is at the bottom of the case and the right side is at the toip - and therefore more exposed to whatever pollutants are around. Here's a "worst case". In this example, the left side was just as filthy! Alex West

The auction for this particular concertina was near Derby, roughly in the middle of England. I understand there were at least 3 phone bidders but one of them (me!) pulled out quite early in the bidding. I'm not sure whether the instrument sold in the room, to a phone bidder or to an internet bidder. I haven't tracked all of the ebay and auction house sales this year, but from the sample I have, hammer prices have seemed fairly consistent and predictable whether the auction is in the south or north of England or in Scotland. Prices in the US do seem to have been slightly lower. I'd reckon that with the increase in phone and internet bidding and the increasing availability of information about forthcoming auctions, prices have become more consistent? Happy to have data which shows other trends. This instrument does seem to be an anomaly - fetching a lot more than recent auction house Jeffies anglos and almost as much as ebay Jeffries (where buying costs are less) Alex West

This instrument came up at auction today, number 30389. The auctioneer's estimate was £100-£150. It just went under the hammer and was knocked down at £3,800, so £4,248 including buyers premium and VAT. This must be a record for an Aeola surely - even if it needs no work doing? Admittedly it's rare, one of only 4 made in 1924, but this is close to what it cost (in real terms) when it was made! Alex West Edited as wrong phot attached

Rowan This looks to be a 30 button concertina rather than a 38 - a misprint? Do you have any more photos you can share with us? There are a couple of people not far from you who are very experienced in both playing and repairing/restoring concertinas, including a Jeffries such as this. They're on this forum regularly and I'm sure they'd give you an honest opinion. If you want to send me a private mail, I'll see if they've seen this as well and want to be put in contact with you Alex West

It looks as though the instrument went for £120 plus buyers premium and VAT. Anyone here win it? I'd be very curious to see what it looks like on the inside! Alex West

Has anyone seen anything like this before? It's coming up at auction on Saturday and is described as a "Scottish concertina" with a label; W Mitchell, Wishaw. Alex West

When I first moved to Scotland, I stayed on a farm and one summer evening, I was playing concertina outside whilst my wife practised step dancing. After a short while, she suggested I turned round - there were the cows all lined up against the fence, mesmerised. I tested the reaction later in the evening when the cows were all busy at the far end of the field. As soon as I started playing, they all rushed over to the fence again to hear. I don't hesitate much when I say they were the best audience I've ever had. They didn't put a lot of money in the hat though Alex West

Gentlemen There seems to be a general assumption around that because the Jeffries family made duets to their own system with as few keys as 45 and because a number of Jeffries duets have over the years been converted to anglos, that every Jeffries anglo with more than 40 keys started life as a duet. I don't know about this instrument in particular, but to my personal knowledge (I've seen, touched and delved inside them, measured the reeds and looked carefully at the reed pans) I know of a 46 key Jeffries anglo and a 50 key Jeffries anglo that have always ben anglos, were never ever duets and have not been re-tuned nor the reed pans reshaped to take differnt reeds on push and pull. I'm pretty sure I've also seen correspondence on this site about large Jeffries anglos which were built that way. There's a flaw in the logic here: "Jeffries made large concertinas; Jeffries duets are large concertinas; some Jeffries duets are known to have been converted into anglos; therefore all large Jeffries anglos were once duets" This might be a good hypothesis if there wasn't some evidence that Jeffries made some anglos which are large. One of the confusions does seem to be that the external appearance (fretwork pattern, arrangement of buttons) of a large Jeffries Anglo is very similar to that of a Jeffries duet, but outward apearances aren't everything. By the way, Wheatstone made some pretty large anglos. The standard largest might have been 40 keys but (if memory serves) they made a 56 key anglo in 1914 (number 26513) and other specials after this. As another aside, they also seem to have made some in the early 1900's to a Jeffries pattern, for example No 26114. No suspicions that Wheatstone duets have ever been converted into anglos are there? All that I'm really saying is that it's impossible to generalise without knowing the specifics of the instrument in question. So, Brian; can you tell us a little more about your instrument? Does it play the same note whether you push or pull the bellows? Do you know what keys it's in? Might you have a chart showing which buttons play which notes? And finally have you looked inside the instrument and seen what the reeds and reed pans look like? These might be very relevant questions to a buyer and could make a lot of difference to the value. Looks a nice instrument though Alex West

Paul The action does look similar, but the posts on the photographs of "your" concertina look a good bit thinner than the Australian Jeffries English or other Jeffries that I've seen. Impossible to be sure without a micrometer but worth checking? Also, the shape of the rivets is totally different. I know the Jeffries family used different sized rivet snaps at different times, but maybe another clue? None of this proves anything conclusively one way or the other, just suggests that they aren't from the same shop Alex West

There's another model 22 Wheatstone on ebay at the moment at a much lower current bid - but you'd nee to be quick - it ends in 9 hours! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130545454704&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Same caveats apply as you've mentioned, but this vendor sold a larger model within 24 hours in a Buy-it-now a week ago. I'm now longer in Aberdeen or I'd have taken a look Alex

I came across Wheatstone number 2118 today in a collection of other instruments. It was a nice looking (as in well preserved) 48 button rosewood English instrument with 4 bellows and buttons (coloured, with letters on the tops) indicating that it was probably a student model. It had pine baffles as well and the case was an extremely handsome piece of woodwork. I didn't have time, equipment or liberty to open it up, but inside the case was a quantity of spare (?) brass reeds mounted on a rectangular piece of wood, neatly routed to house the reeds so I imagine it was original. I also didn't have any tuning devices with me so I don't know what pitch it was in. From the ledgers, this number appears to fall into the gap between the last of the 1848 numbers and the start of the 1851 numbers (so 1849 might be a good guess?). My questions are, would anyone out there have a better idea of the date? And was it common at that time to have included with the instrument a set of spare reeds? Alex West

Niamh ni Charra (http://niamhnicharra.com) is half way through a small tour of Scottish folk clubs before heading off to mainland Europe with Carlos Nunez' band. A friend and I went to see her at Stirling folk club on Monday and it was a fabulous evening with a superb concertina player and all round good musician & singer. She has with her a tremendous young guitarist, Matt Griffin who nearly stole the show with his sensitive and witty accompaniment. You've already missed her at Leith last night, but there's still time to catch her and Matt at Irvine tonight (http://www.irvinefolkclub.co.uk/) or at Falkirk on Thursday (http://www.falkirkfolkclub.co.uk/) Alex West

It's definitely happening - I attended a meeting of the planning committee earlier this week and Ian has some good guests lined up, bracketed by a seminar, sessions, concerts and workshops. This event is only held every 4 years and this year is extra special as it's Ian Russell's final year as Director of the Elphinstone Institute and professor at Aberdeen University If anyone is interested, by all means be in touch and that will give Ian and the committee the incentive to lay on some even more special events. Alex West

I wondered whether to post this in the Education section or here in Construction and Repair. I caught this link in a bookbinding suppliers site and copy here the first paragraph or so of the conference below. Unfortunately, I'm just about to head off on holiday so don't have time to find out more about this conference and the first topic listed, but perhaps someone can check out whether this is about concertinas as we know them? As many here will know, bookbinding skills are at the heart of concertina bellows making so there's a good chance this is relevant? "25th - 28th August 2011 *The Society of Bookbinders Education & Training Conference at the University of Warwick SoB The Society of Bookbinders' eighteenth biennial Education & Training Conference will be returning to the University of Warwick. The university is 80 miles north-west of London. It lies approximately 7 miles from the towns of Royal Leamington Spa and Warwick, with its medieval castle, and 15 miles from Stratford-upon-Avon, the birthplace of William Shakespeare. Coventry city centre with its famous Cathedral is just 3 miles away. The Society is pleased to introduce some speakers to the Conference for the first time and looks forward to welcoming members and non-members to what is believed will be a most interesting, diverse and enjoyable conference. Speakers Cristina Balbiano d'Aramengo (Italy) - Challenging Concertinas a binding structure with multiple applications Clare Bryan - Scalpel Drawing Structures (see 'The New Bookbinder' vol. 30) Mark Cockram - Alchemy of the Book Maureen Duke - Binding Sheet Music & Other Flat Material etc.......... (There are many other papers listed)" Alex West

If anyone wants an edeophone, there's one coming up at auction in the UK on the 16th April. http://www.semleyauctioneers.com. I've not seen it in person Alex West

Hammer price was £3,200 so total cost including buyer's premium and VAT was £3,776. I hope the buyer had a good look at it and knew what it was he/she was buying - it looks awfully expensive if it wasn't the genuine article Did you go Alan? Alex

The button layout looks like this one? (and similar to a Wheatstone 40 button layout) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110654722956#ht_1247wt_940 I'm no expert on Lachenal papers and bellowsgilding but this looks similar to Lachenal dspite the apparent lack of serial numbers Alex West

Geoff PM sent Alex

Sale results 1 A Duet System Concertina by Charles Jeffries (2) £3,300 2 A Baritone Concertina by Wheatstone, London, circa 1900 (1) £900 3 A Duet System Concertina by the Jeffries Brothers, (2) £3,100 4 A Twelve Sided Concertina by Lachenal & Co, London, (2) £1,400 So the prices to the buyer including Buyers premium and VAT are: 1 Actually a 39 key anglo in C/G old pitch £4,092 2 £1,116 3 Actually a 39 key anglo in Bb/F in A=440Hz £3,844 4 £1,736 I'd reckon that the C/G anglo was about right for price but the Bb/F Jeffries Bros looks a bit high for what it is. I wouldn't like to comment on the Wheatstone duet and the Lachenal Edeophone Anyone know what the numbers in parenthesis are? Alex West

I just noticed this C Jeffries at Eastbourne Auction Rooms coming up on 24th March. Superficially, it looks OK, but I'm suspicious about the font of the makers stamp and there are also aspects of the fretwork and buttons which make me wonder if this is genuine. No idea about the key. The reeds and the sound are what matter but I'm too far away to be able to check Alex