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  1. Hello! Been reading obsessively for a little while, but now I finally decided to make an account so I could ask a few of my own questions! I recently got my first concertina, a Rochelle-2 Anglo, and I love it! The only problem is that my brain doesn't work that way, thus for me the Anglo system is surprisingly unintuitive. So, after talking a bit with a maker, I'm in the process of getting a Hayden Duet made! Only problem now is figuring out the keyboard... Before I bombard you with diagram-punctuated rambling, a little background: I'm a pianist, have been for most of my life. I've been fascinated by accordions and concertinas forever, but only recently realized I could just hop in whenever I wanted! There is no specific genre or genres I play, I'm all over the place, so versatility is important to me -however white and whaley that may be in such a compact instrument. Anyway, to the layouts! I started with the 52K layout from the Morse Beaumont, and seeing that the range had a couple holes at the bottom I added a low B and C# to make it chromatic: (right is red, left is blue, overlap is purple, and octaves have alternating green and orange labels) Then I tried eliminating the overlap by shifting the left hand down an octave, but when I tried to figure out how I would play a few songs on it I quickly understood how important that overlap is. So for a moment I thought this 54K layout was perfect, but then I got two thoughts in my head: The left hand doesn't go down very far, and it's missing Bb/A#4. So I started looking for other references for a Hayden layout and found the 65K layout used by Wakker: I found it interesting how the extra buttons were used as much to fill out the existing accidentals as they were to extend the range, and the more I learn about the Hayden layout the more that makes sense to me. But I see a lot of compromises here that I don't like: Missing F#2, G#2, and Bb4 on the left, G#3 on the right, the bisonoric Eb/F, and a lot of duplicated keys which, while great for transpositional invariance, could have been used to make it chromatic. (I actually don't know if Wakker uses linked buttons for duplicate notes, I wonder...) So I made a couple modifications: Much better for my purposes, but I still wasn't very happy with it. The left hand still didn't go quite as low as I wanted (E2 would be perfect), I had a few duplicate notes I wasn't sure would actually help, and I was starting to notice something else: The cut-down Hayden layouts tend to be very inconsistent from octave to octave. For instance, B major looks very different between B2 and B3 on the left. The example layouts I've found tend to exacerbate that problem more, and the way I've been adding notes tends to even it out, but you really can't get away from that problem completely without adding 19 buttons per octave! I tried to mitigate the non-uniformity by using only sharps, and seeing as I eliminated a lot of duplicates I extended the range down to E2: Now it's consistent, but no less limited. It breaks down with F major and the common Bb major, and fixing that uniformly would mean adding a lot of duplicates! Enter the weirdest and most interesting reference layout I've looked at: It's very sharp-biased but not totally, it has almost the range I want (both more and less), but it's... weird. I really don't like pushing the left F4 all the way over to the sharps, I don't need the low Eb, and I'd like fiddle G on the right. I ended up with this: I think this is the best tradeoff between range, uniformity, and isomorphism out of any of the layouts I've considered so far (while being totally chromatic so my brain doesn't get confused). I'm not sure about the high E and D#, I guess I'll have to figure out how significant those two reeds are for construction, but I don't see how I could improve this without adding way too many buttons or compromising the range. I also think ~64-66 buttons is approaching the edge of where I'm confident I won't get helplessly lost in the button field. So, my question: I'm still very new, so to those of you who play Hayden duet, what do you think of this? Am I making any big mistakes? Is there anything I'm not aware of or haven't thought of? ... do you like my graphs?
  2. I have a 80-button Wheatstone Chidley duet concertina. I believe only 50-60 of these were ever made. The button layout is the same as a MacCann but the layout of notes is the same for every octave. My Chidley has a 5 octave range from C2. (See http://www.concertina.com /chidley-duet ) I just wondered if there is anyone else on Concertina.net who plays this system. Peter
  3. The title says it all! I recently missed out on purchasing a Stagi Hayden duet concertina on eBay, and thought I'd check here to see if anybody might be selling one. (I did see a handful of listings on here, but most were posted over 10 years ago.) Thanks in advance!
  4. I am starting this page for Duet players to submit their recordings, It is intended to finish up with a total page (s) of recordings only that you can listen to, or download free. No players are receiving a fee, or any financial reward , but from the players who have kindly agreed to submit recordings the quality of playing should be fairly high. There may be a delay in the recordings appearing as this project has only just started. http://www.concertinas.org.uk/DuetAudio.htm
  5. Here are some recordings that I took for my girlfriend. She sends me paintings because she's an artist. You have to look for the correct picture: Duet, Chemnitzer and also two melodeon tunes. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxmdUyzOLoE8Z0Yv7dDcc3xnDPJIPPTPP
  6. Hello Everyone, After several years of being rarely played, I have made the difficult decision to sell my concertina. I dislike being a quitter, but I play too many other instruments to give this beautiful instrument the time it deserves. I am the original owner of #1082. It was manufactured in the spring of 2013, and has probably been played less than 60 hours since then. Still very much in excellent condition. I hope I'm not being unreasonable looking for $3000 US or approximately $3800 CAD. Original price was $3850 US. I am located in Brantford, Ontario, Canada. A 2.5 hour drive from border crossings at Detroit or Buffalo. Anyone is welcome to come play it. http://www.buttonbox.com/morse-beaumont.html- The button box website has excellent sound samples and pictures. I have never posted before, but I have enjoyed the discussions a lot. It was the postings on Concertina.Net that informed me enough to be confident in purchasing this concertina. Sincerely, James Fraser
  7. About a year ago, I bought an Elise Hayden concertina from concertina connection, however the pandemic has given me very few opportunities to learn/play the instrument and I feel bad letting it sit in its case. Im looking to sell the instrument for 300 dollars + shipping and handling. Feel free to message me here. I will post pictures of the instrument below.
  8. With the extended lockdown, I’ve gone back to playing a Crane Duet. Picked up a 1950s 48b Wheatstone for now from Chris Algar, but looking for a top quality one long term. I like the size of the 48, but would go up to a 55b one if necessary considering the rarity of the little critters now. Many thanks Paul
  9. I have a Stagi 46 button Hayden Duet with the apparently Hayden-designed slanted keyboard, offset from the handrail so the thumb side buttons are closer than the pinky side buttons. I didn't know duet keyboards came any other way until I saw the Concertina Connection Wicky/Hayden hybrids...with the hand rail in line with the keyboard. No slant. Now the slant on my Stagi keyboard bugs the hell out of me, and I know why my pinky is practically useless on the upper rows. Anybody changed the handrail position on a Stagi? Any experiences, caveats, etc?
  10. Unless I win the lottery soon, I'll be playing my Stagi Hayden duet for the foreseeable future. But I'm going to change the handle angle to square it up with the keyboard, as it is on the Morse Beaumont and Concertina Connection Peacock. Anybody know the actual distance between the handle and bottom row of keys on these boxes?
  11. Did a forum search and didn't find much, presumably because their isn't much, but...is there a modern Hayden duet method book, tutor, or primer?
  12. If you have a Hayden duet for sale I'd be interested in giving it a look. Peacock level or better.
  13. Hi! I recently bought a new stagi haydn duet and when it was delivered everything was fine except one thing! The lowest C on the bass side is out of tune and rustling and wheezing a bit. I opened the concertina up to look at it and the reeds are attached to reed blocks but the space is really narrow so it seems hard to be able to tune one reed, and even hard to tune noth in and out. I could remove the reed block but its waxed/glued on, so it seems a bit much just to tune one set of reeds. Now, I am an accordion player and have some experience with tuning accordions so that part isn't the problem, the problem is getting to the reeds. Any ideas? Regards, Ernst Rolf
  14. Greetings -- I'm a concertina newbie, just bought a Stagi 46 note (I know, I know, the concertina all love to hate, nevertheless, I like the sound, system and esp the price ? ). I was playing around with the strap tightness/looseness, and it suddenly occurred to me that no matter how I adjusted it, it still seemed awkward to reach some notes from some others. Then I thought what if really loosen it up and put all my fingers through, and when I did I realized I'd gained 25% more fingers (20% more if one is bad at math, so let's split the difference and call it 22.5%). Of course, the part of the back of hand that makes contact with the strap for bellowing is closer to the wrist, and resting each end of the concertina on the corresponding leg may be needed for stability given the looser straps and not using the thumbs for stability. Having all 10 fingers then permits easier interval stretches and more fingering options for both melodies and chords. I do allow for the possibility that as a newbie, I simply don't realize this is ridiculous, scandalous and will never work as I progress, but just wondering, does anyone out there use their thumbs to play concertina?
  15. First advertised by Mikefule in February I bought this concertina to see how I could get on with a Hayden Duet. Unfortunately the result is the same as when I tried a Crane some 45 years ago so it is now back on the market. Still in perfect condition and very little played it was originally owned by an elderly gent who liked trying out different instruments; I bought it from his estate. As it is still pristine I am asking the same £280 that I paid for it. A soft case is included and the customary fee will be paid to the site. I would prefer to sell in UK, Ireland or Europe; I would expect that shipping and taxes would make it too expensive elsewhere.
  16. Hello, I want to try a duet concertina, but it is difficult to get an instrument. I searched on the Internet but, these are very expensive. So I am looking for A for beginners as cheap as possible. I don't care about the system, because I'm about to begin. I'm sorry for not being good at speaking English.
  17. I am looking for a Crane concertina with a chevron layout of the buttons – rather than the curved Butterworth set up. I have a large Crabb Crane with 67 buttons with the chevron layout (see picture) but it’s not very portable due to its size. I am looking to buy a second, smaller Crane with the same layout with between 42 & 55 buttons. My preference would be for a Crabb (or Wheatstone, if they ever made them) but would be interested to see what is available. If you have such a Crane that you are looking to sell, please get in touch. My preference would be to buy from the UK but I'm open to purchasing from abroad. Peter
  18. Hello concertina lovers, I am selling my Wheatstone Miniature Maccann Duet Concertina. I have a listing on ebay, check it out if you are interested. https://www.ebay.com/itm/302791718981?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 It is an amazing 12 keys Wheatstone Miniature Maccann Duet Concertina, serial number: 32154. From the serial number, we can estimate that it was made around 1929. It is in an incredible condition. All actions, pads, metal buttons, steel reeds and 8-fold bellows are impeccable. The metal ends are beautifully sculpted. It is "concert pitch" tuned and it sounds great. It is surprisingly powerful for the size (4.5 inches / 3 inches). I bought it from Chris Algar at Barleycorn Concertinas. It will come in the original box which is also in an amazing condition. If you have any questions or would like additional photos, don't hesitate to ask me.
  19. I've been trying to improve my reading skills recently by playing some simple(ish) classical-type music on my Peacock Hayden. So far I've been working through the S, A, & T lines of some Bach chorales (the bass lines go too low for my little box), and I've struggled through a few of the simpler tunes from Bartok's Mikrokosmos. I'm wondering about other classical music that more-or-less fits the range (three octives starting at the C below middle C). If this has been written about here before, I'm happy to be pointed in a direction to keep looking. Thank you for any ideas! Best, steven arntson
  20. Hello everyone, I have been asked by a friend of dear (and much missed) Vernon Barrett, to post this, as he has no internet access. I am not taking any commission or any money for posting this, but I hope that this beautiful instrument can find a new home and continue to make music. Vernon Barrett bought this very nice Wheatstone & Co McCann Duet in reasonable condition but in old philharmonic pitch and needing replacement bellows. As he wanted a wooden ended instrument, we made new ends finished in beautiful Amboyna wood with hand cut fretwork and with new boxwood button stems with genuine Wheatstone gold plated button caps( new from Harry Minting's Wheatstone parts stock). New bellows in dark green goatskin were made by Rosalie Dipper. The instrument is now tuned in modern A=440 Hz pitch. The instrument has been very carefully looked after by Vernon for the last thirteen years or so and is in "as-new" condition. The Amboyna veneers used were the largest and only veneers we have ever had like this, and so the instrument really is one of a kind. Realistically, if we were to make an exact copy of this instrument then I can't really see that we could break even on costs if we charged much under £10,000. (I heard on the radio today, that you could only just afford a bottle of single malt whisky for the same price - I know what I would chose!) Sadly, there is not that much demand for Duets, so I guess the price will be less than that. If you are interested, please contact me. Best wishes to all, and happy squeezing, John
  21. what i'm asking is it possible to play 2 parts rather than just one eg. a waltz but not within 1 chord eg. C CM CM I like the look of the Anglo however with what i've seen so far on the layout trying to play a polka is a nightmare. or at least say a polka using say a Bb chord and I know about transposing however that being said is it only possible to play chords in 1 range eg. c cm g cm c cm g cm or can you also a other chords and it's limitation being skill. I ask because I don't one but would like to however I like to play two pieces of the song eg. the waltz part or the polka etc. I understand that there is the English concertina however I also understand that it's all quite high pitched and so it wouldn't sound as good that being said I don't own any type of concertina and would like to ask for a suggestion I get that there are the duet systems however they cost alot considering I don't even own a cheap one yet
  22. Dear all. My first post. I have just got hold of a Lachenal concertina. I play a Wheatstone English treble, and have a Jones anglo. But this Lachenal is different from those two types. Is it a duet? (never seen a duet in the wild). It has no air button, plays same note in and out, is same size as my English more or less, and has the looks, from a distance, of an anglo. I googled images of a duet, but they all seem to have more buttons than this one. I am very very grateful if some knowlegeable souls could tell me what it is, or in fact anything at all about it. The serial number is 1780, and the other side has the Lachenal logo of London. There is a worn thin kind of hessian inside the wooden ends. It came in the original box too, with a large metal ring on the lid. It leaks pretty badly through the reeds, although the bellows seem to be in fine shape. Thank-you much in advance, Bill.
  23. I'm new to this forum and to the concertina community and need some advice. A bit of background: I am a choral conductor and pianist. I'm the music director at a church in Dallas, Texas. I read music fluently and play by ear a bit but not am not gifted this way. In recent years I've discovered I enjoy a good stout in an Irish pub so have become curious about ITM (Irish Traditional Music) and that lead to doing some research on the concertina. I understand in broad terms the different key arrangements and the terms unisonoric/bisonoric of the English, Anglo and Duet systems. Here is my question: as a pianist and music reader will I make faster progress with which system? What do you think will be more intuitive and therefore I will be able to manage the learning curve in order to make music? I'm eager to hear your responses. McDouglas in Dallas
  24. Hello! I inherited an old family concertina about a year ago and would like to get some vague indication of the value for insurance purposes. It's a Crane / Triumph 48 button, apparently at least 101 years old (reference to it in a newspaper article from 1916). It was stored boxed in dry conditions for probably the past 60 years; about 5 of the reeds needed to be checked / tuned but it now plays pretty well with itself. The specialist who fixed the reeds said it's in as good condition on the inside as outside (pictures of outside attached). The entire thing is tuned to A = 452 Hz. I have a couple of youtube videos playing it for an idea of the sound (apologies for my playing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJChpblEGE If anyone can help out with a value approximation, it would be much appreciated!
  25. It has been quite a while since I last got a recording of the Maccann, but I've finally managed a pretty clean version of the lovely tune Dundas, by Rob Harbron. This fits on the Bb Maccann really nicely, though my success rate of hitting the descending base runs is not exactly 100%, so I fudged them most of the time https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/dundas I've been playing this tune for ages but it was a pig to get a recording without some interesting cock-ups. While I seem to be in the zone I'm going to try to do a few other recordings this week of fun new tunes I've picked up on this instrument
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