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  1. Bill N

    Mayfair-Type Action

    Well, I'm stumped as to what the seller means. But I have owned an Edgley, and played and heard played, a bunch more and they really are at the top of the heap when it comes to the action and playability. Mine was a hybrid "Professional" model, with accordion reeds. I only got rid of it to help pay for a concertina-reeded Kensington. A musical friend, Fergus Brown O'Byrne, is a professional traditional musician in Newfoundland who plays twice as fast and more beautifully than I ever will and he swears by his. Frank also makes a "Heritage" model with concertina reeds, although I haven't run across one of those myself. Edited to add: I just put 2 and 2 together and found the advert you are talking about. It's been a while since I looked inside an Edgley (never had a problem with mine so didn't open it up a whole lot). Maybe there is a design feature of Frank's lever and post that is a bit like the design of the Mayfair?
  2. Bill N

    Mayfair-Type Action

    Without seeing the ad I would guess that the seller isn't too familiar with concertina terminology. The Mayfair line was a budget line of concertinas made by Wheatstone for a few years in the mid-20th century. Perhaps the seller is slightly confused and is comparing the action of the Edgley to that of a Wheatstone? In any case, unless this is some weird early prototype, Frank Edgley's instruments have a proper traditional riveted action, and are as good as or better than most top vintage or modern instruments in terms of ease and speed of action.
  3. Likely not, but Theo and I were responding to a previous response that claimed that the Blackthorn was concertina reeded. Didn't want the OP confused by the idea that a new, concertina-reeded instrument could be had for less than 1000 Pounds.
  4. The Blackthorn is certainly worth a look, but it is an accordion reeded hybrid like the Morse or Clover.
  5. I just ordered pads, springs, valves, bushing felt ,and bellows gaskets and top runs from Concertina Connection. I thought their prices were reasonable, and service was exceptional. From date of order it was about a week to delivery here in Newfoundland. The package was extremely well organized and packed (individual tiny ziplocks for each bunch/size of component). Also Wim and Karen sent me some helpful e-mails. After my frustrating experience with Concertina Spares this was a real breath of fresh air. The pads consist of 3 parts: the laminated leather/card circle, a small dot of leather, and a kind of little knot/knob that the lever arm goes through. You glue the 3 together as you are installing them in place. The seem very well made. I would recommend them whole heartedly. Oh, in an e-mail I asked them if the knew where I could find a small amount of bellows card for an unrelated project, and they stuck some off-cuts in the mail for me with no charge!
  6. Bill N

    Stagi Anglo W-15-ln

    Could you post a pic of the action?
  7. Bill N

    26 buttons oncertina?

    If you go across the river I know of 3 young concertina players in Buenos Aires who are associated with the La Platta Comhaltas branch. awbrown.ar@comhaltas.net I met them a few years ago while I was on an extended stay in Argentina. They were very interested in concertina, but none were available. When I returned to Canada I found some good beginner instruments and sent them to Buenos Aires. They have become very good players- I am amazed at the music they get out of their Rochelles.
  8. Bill N

    Lost Advertisement

    This should take you there: http://bertramlevy.com/concertina-tutor
  9. I'll begin by saying that I find the members of this forum to be remarkably civil and well intentioned when that is certainly not the social media norm. However I did think that the kibitzing that happened on your posting was inconsiderate, and might give a prospective buyer second thoughts. I don't think your asking price or the logic behind it were unreasonable, and in any case the market will decide. I would have been annoyed if it was my posting.
  10. Bill N

    Tuning of 1860 Lachenal

    Good idea Wolf. I found a table on line with over 100 temperaments. The closest matches all appear to be in the meantone family.
  11. Bill N

    Tuning of 1860 Lachenal

    The clouds are parting and understanding dawns! I found an old thread on this topic, and Geoff provided "note deviations from EQ in cents". I plugged my results into his chart assuming that the tuning is centred on A (my values are in in Bold) and this is what I got: 1/5 Comma; A= 0, Bb= +10 12, B= -4 -4, C= +6 4, C#= -8 -18, D= +2 2, D#= -12 -28, Eb= +12 12, E= -2 -6, F= +8 12, F#= -6 -18, G= +4 2, G#= -10 -18Ab= +14 17. So except for my sharp notes which are more extreme, it looks pretty close to 1/5 comma meantime centred on A, with A being around 444.5 HZ. Does that sound reasonable? Maybe the approach should be to leave it in the meantone tuning, but bring the whole thing down to modern pitch? I fear my ignorance is showing, but the only way forward is through!
  12. Bill N

    Tuning of 1860 Lachenal

    Thanks Geoff and John, I'm glad I didn't barge ahead. I'm looking at getting a tuning app that allows one to select pitch and temperament. Sounds like the best approach is to do all the other work first, then use the tuning app to deduce what the original tuning was and spot tune to bring it back in tune with itself. I'll talk with my singer friend to see if this will work for her. Cheers Bill
  13. Bill N

    Tuning of 1860 Lachenal

    To add a bit more info for your consideration, here are the ranges in minutes for all occurrences of each note as read by a tuner set for EQ at A -440: G 18-22 sharp G# in tune Ab read as G# 35 sharp A. 18 sharp Bb 30 sharp B. 10-18 sharp C 18-25 sharp C# in tune D 18-22 sharp D#. 10 flat Eb read as 30 sharp F. 30 sharp F# in tune
  14. I am working on a 48 button Lachenal that Dowright has dated c. 1860. It has brass reeds (which don't look like they've been bothered very much), glass buttons and a 5 fold bellows. Overall it is in very good shape. I am making new thumb straps, doing some bellows repairs, and replacing pads, springs, valves and bushings. All of the internal and external woodwork and action components are in excellent condition. If it was for my own use I probably wouldn't touch most of the pads, springs and valves, but it will be gifted to a friend who isn't the type to poke around inside of it, so this work is prophylactic. I don't play the English, but some friends who do tried it out and it sounded pleasantly in tune with itself. My initial thought was that I could handle tuning the 2 or 3 "bum" notes that were apparent. Today, just for fun, I printed out a button layout diagram and tried each button against my little tuner, recognizing that this exercise will be more useful with an accurate tuning app, and once the spring, pad, valve and bellows work is done. However, the results have me reconsidering a DIY tuning job, and also wondering what I'm starting with. Here are the initial findings (the tuner is set for equal temperament and A 440): It's sharp across the board - this wasn't too big a surprise- I've read about the evolution of standard tuning. With some "black key" exceptions, notes range from about 15 to 30 cents sharp. push & pull notes on each button are in tune with each other the tuning of a particular note is consistent across the key board e.g. all the Fs are 30 cents sharp, all the As are 18 cents sharp G#s, F#s, C#s all read as in tune for A440- Abs show as 35 cent sharp G#s, D#s are all 10 cents flat, and Ebs show as 30 cent sharp D#s. Having read, but not fully comprehended, some of the recent threads on temperaments I'm wondering if the patterns noted above might give some clues to how this was originally tuned? It will be used by a professional singer for self accompaniment, so maybe something other than EQ at A 440 would be viable? I welcome your thoughts, just remember that I am a by- ear-playing Anglo-phile with no musical theory. Layman's terms appreciated!
  15. Bill N

    Thumb Strap Instructions

    It's a 48 button Lachenal English, serial # 6915. Dowright has dated it c. 1860. 48 glass buttons, brass reeds, beautifully figured rosewood ends with brass inlays at the corners, and gold embossed green bellows and thumb-straps. It was found in an attic in British Columbia, Canada by the new owner of an old house, so no ownership history to go with it I'm afraid. It's in remarkably good condition- pads, valves, seals, reeds, pad boards and reed pans all look new, and the ends are in excellent condition. One fold of the bellows is damaged, the thumb-straps need replacing, and the glue holding the action box together has dried out. I'll be doing a careful, minimal restoration for a friend who is currently playing a Stagi .(I'm an Anglo player- can't make heads-nor-tails of an English)
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