wes williams

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Yes, sorry - I looked at the wrong table. 35875 is estimated as circa 1897. I've updated the original.

We estimate 156054 as c.1897

Fellow Concertina Folk, Over the past few months we've had quite a few individual requests for estimated dates, which is scattering the info all over this History section rather than keeping it in one place, so I'm only going to respond on the Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number thread. I've answered these two enquiries on that thread. I'd also ask that you give as much info as possible for our database, at minimum the number of buttons, just in case we see some kind of patterns start to become apparent.

Matt Heumann wrote: Would appreciate a manufacturing date for Lachenal Edeophone 56-key Treble #35875 Mike Acott wrote: I have another Lachenal anglo number for you ,it is 52091, many thanks . Matt: 35875 is estimated as circa 1897 Mike: 52091 is estimated as circa 1879. Number of buttons please?

1. 8888 is not a valid number for a duet. Please check very carefully as it should be less than 5000. 2. I will only give date estimates on the Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number thread rather than individual postings.

We'd estimate 122102 as c. 1892

47932 on a Lachenal English would be estimated as circa 1908. But now I've seen your photo on the General Discussion thread that shows riveted reeds, which aren't Lachenal.

Hi Mike, Don't understand why you've added this here. Was it a mistake and were you after date estimates? I assume they are 48K? If so 12814 is estimated as circa 1867, and 18864 is circa 1873, right at the end of the Elizabeth Lachenal period. Steve - This concertina is already on the Lachenal database. Past history says it's been through Chris Algar, and also on ebay.

We'd estimate Maccann 1734 as circa 1897.

Hi John, 87525 doesn't fit in our series of numbers for Lachenal English as they only go up to around 60700, although we do have one confirmed as 87733 which is probably mis-stamped. I think your last two pictures probably show '3' as the first number, and 37525 would be estimated as circa 1899. The picture showing the reed pan with '8 Little James St.' also points to roughly this date as their later addresses were '4 Little James St.' and '4 & 6 Little James St.'.

if the internet can be believed, Randy is 80 today! To celebrate this an article has been published today at The Concertina Journal entitled "The Producers of Lachenal Concertinas". The article covers the firm of Lachenal from start to finish, the family owners of Lachenal and the workers involved. I've known Randy for around 25 years now, and I'd like to thank him for all the pioneering work he has done, and articles he has published, on research in concertinas. One of the major threads in this Concertina History section is "Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number" and only exists because of Randy's work for thirty years. Many Thanks Randy!!

The details of this instrument have bothered me for over 3 years. 57473 would be estimated as c. 1880 in the Lachenal anglo series by the Randy Merris (dowright) estimates. But I've now located something written by Maccann - before the patent was applied for - that says: ...The Duet concertina was invented in the year 1851 by Charles Wheatstone; it had 24 keys, and was double action, but at that time was only capable of playing in two keys, C and G. In 1880 I added a full accompaniment of sharps and flats, with other improvements, which has made it quite as perfect as the ordinary English. The compass of the 38-keyed is from G below the stave to first D above, with further extensions if required. So the 1883 date attributed to this instrument is probably wrong. There is too much information to detail the context fully here, so I'll try to get a much fuller article written up. Do we have any idea who bought this?

Your concertina is a 'New Model' and Lachenal would build a concertina to any customer specification. A slightly later price list here (c.1916?) shows that rosewood ended models were introduced.

We'd estimate it was made circa 1905. You can find a Lachenal price list from this date here.