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  1. Thanks Rod, We've only just added Kurt's recordings to the Duet Page. Although I didn't know him personally, his prescence on the forums for many years was always of the highest standard.
  2. Thanks, but not necessary - ancients like Stephen and I (and many others) are always happy to help if we can.
  3. English 59463 is estimated as circa 1923. English 59802 is estimated as circa 1926.
  4. Apologies if this programme has already been mentioned, but I couldn't find it in a forum search. RTE Raidio na Gaeltachta has a lot of videos on youtube featuring many Irish musicians, each programme lasting around an hour and a half. You'll find the full list by searching youtube for 'Cuan an Cheoil ' but here are a few that feature concertina: Edel Fox & Caoimhín Ó Fearghail Louise & Michelle Mulcahy Cormac & Eoin Ó Beaglaoich Saileog & Eoghan Ó Ceannabháin Caitlín & Antóin Mac Gabhann I'm still digging through!
  5. Paula - You'll find that at https://web.archive.org/web/20110514131052/www.concertina.net/ww_pitch.html. Many 'missing' things from lots of sites can be found using the Wayback machine at archive.org.
  6. There's a lot in the Galpin article I linked about expanding the SA workshop circa 1895. Perhaps these SA labels were added there, and the Lachenal oval holes enlarged, not a major modification?
  7. That one seems to be about the same date as the others - 154398 is estimated as circa 1897.
  8. Could be, Jim. But a number that low would set it firmly in the Louis Lachenal period, and by the looks of the photo it seems more modern. Chris - 32 key (2 bird calls) anglo S/no 111199 estimated as circa 1890. 48 key Tutor S/no 20594 estimated as circa 1876.
  9. Yes, thats the serial, but unfortunately I can't read it from your photo. At a guess its 172xxx which would be circa 1902. Anybody else have any idea?
  10. And here is a picture of 38694. The full description can be viewed here. You should have said 'The article I quoted refers to the year AN instrument was acquired by one famous player ...' and this would have been one of the earliest aluminium reed plate Edeos, but not this 38694 one . As I indicated in an earlier post, instruments of an 1894/5 date would be expected to have a serial around the 32000 mark from receipts, which makes 38694 to be estimated as 1889/1900. While you are welcome to your own opinions on our estimates, the author of your 2005 quote (Stephen Chambers) now uses these estimates as the best currently available, and has been part of the group of researchers and restorers working towards these estimates over many years. If you'd care to dive into the JSON data on 38694, you'll find that Steve Dickinson (owner of Wheatstone) came up with a similar date in a 2013 assessment: 'Probably dates from around 1900. Aluminium reed frames corroded, the high carbon steel reeds are age hardened and work hardened. Bellows fine. Not suitable as a playing instrument.'
  11. Paul - We'd estimate Edeo english 54344 as c.1912
  12. ...is the Chris Algar owned unique Edeophone (28821) in Britain the same instrument as the Edeophone shown in the photo by Matthew Heumann. Yes. Follow the link to Stephen Chambers' 2005 article. Just before half way through is Fig 9 (the photo Matthew used) with the caption: Fig. 9. Lachenal & Co., Edeophone, no. 28821, 56 keys (courtesy of Chris Algar). This is immediately followed in the article by a description of another different Edeophone: Edeophone number 38694 (CMC 262) is a 63-key instrument with bowing valves and aluminium reed frames...... and Matthew says in the first post in this thread: My Lachenal Edeopone is #38697
  13. Edeo 28821 is mentioned in Stephen Chambers' 2005 article as belonging to Chris Algar (Barleycorn Concertinas) and the current description at Barleycorn shows that this is the same instrument, owned by Chris for around 25 years. Chris's son Ciaran is now active in the Barleycorn business.
  14. Sorry Matt, but what you've written makes little sense. This is not a 'known date' - there are only a few 'known' dates from receipts - and Stephen Chambers does say 'perhaps'. So this does not 'prove' the date of your instrument and we can only estimate dates. Stephen wrote the data you quote in 2005, when our knowledge of Lachenal numbers was in its infancy. The photo you added (and linked) is of 28821, the earliest reported Edeophone (56 key) with unusual features (including the fretwork and a tenor/treble, Alex) - so possibly a prototype - and a guide towards the registration of the design in mid 1889. We now have Lachenal receipts that indicate that two English system instruments around the 32600 mark were sold in 1894/5 (the latter date being hire-purchase), so we would expect the instrument described by J A Black to have a number approximately somewhere around that range. But after 30+ years of research into Lachenal numbers we would currently estimate English Edeo 38694 as circa 1899/1900.
  15. Marien- Lachenal 55b Crane SN 532 - we estimate as circa 1905. John - Lachenal treble EC 53886 - we estimate as circa 1912.
  16. A youtube site of interest for vintage concertina recordings is here. I've known Rob Godridge for many years now from my interest in 78rpms. There are many recordings that do not appear on my website, including quite a few on cylinders.
  17. I don't think any progress was made. However Daniel Hersh is now on the ICA committee and so has access to the PDF files in the ICA Archive and may wish to comment.
  18. I emailed Chris when he first posted, offering to host it on my website if nobody offered to take it over, and he was happy for me to do that, so it will be with us a little longer when I get it sorted. Almost all the content is on archive.org, but Chris's 'Case Notes' was removed from the site in later captures. This document was about George Case as a concertina maker and performer, and his family. You can download this as a PDF from here .
  19. Hi Andy, We would estimate anglo 176651 as circa 1905. I'd be interested to know if the 'Lachenal' label hole in your metal end is circular or oval, as it seems to have a Salvation Army pedigree. We've seen that wooden ended SA instruments of a similar age had a circular hole and different Lachenal label (see here) so it would be helpful to know if yours was the same.
  20. We can only estimate the dates of Lachenal concertinas since there are no records. The number you provide indicates that your instrument is an anglo system concertina made circa 1883, but in quite a few cases a preceding '1' is almost hidden behind the fretwork. Please check this carefully and also tell us how many buttons it has. A few more details or photos would helpful.
  21. Thanks Taka. My newer monitor improves the original images and the dates written inside your instrument are August 1931 and 1927, and from the serial numbers provided the original dates appear to be roughly 1895 and a few years later. There is a very good article on the history of Salvation Army instrument sales at https://www.galpinsociety.org/index_htm_files/GSJ-73 Myers LR.pdf but with concertinas only mentioned in passing.
  22. Chris Coe, one of the early concertina players in the folk revival has left us. A respected singer and multi-instrumentalist, she spent many years performing as a duo with Pete Coe, and was a member of the folk 'super group' Bandoggs with Tony Rose, Nic Jones, and Pete. Thanks Chris 🥲
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