nontox Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 This is sold as a wheatstone and I have no doubt that it is one - but: Is it a cheap one, is it a treble or a baritone - can this be seen from outside? From the ancient pricelists it seems to be one of the simple models - but I'm not sure. How much would you expect to be the price for it? I don't want to buy it but I am curious, trying to get information about this new topic. By the way I am totally new to this forum and want to say hello to you all. Joschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 This is sold as a wheatstone ... Hi Joschi, Welcome to c.net. Where is this concertina? If its not on the Internet, can we see some pictures? .. wes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontox Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Concertina Hmm - *scratch my head* I thought I'd given the adress - maybe not - so here it is. Joschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 This page from the Wheatstone ledgers shows that it was made in 1934 and has "Erinoid studs". Since the ledgers say nothing about its pitch I think it is safe to assume it is a treble. The ledger entry also has a note saying "bellows of 654" I've no idea what that might mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontox Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Thanks so far - Well the thing with the bellows is a mystery. Look at the ledger for Concertina 33654 - here is the mirror entry - they obviously swapped the bellows of two concertinas. Erinoid studs means ... what? The buttons are some ancient kind of plastic or what studs are meant by that? Interested to find out more Joschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglogeezer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Erinoid was a plastic made in the first half of the last century. See here for example - ERINOID regards Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Erinoid studs means ... what? The buttons are some ancient kind of plastic or what studs are meant by that? Joschi, "Studs" is an old concertina makers' name for the buttons. As Jake has said, Erinoid was indeed an early plastic material, so named because it was developed by the Condensed Milk Co. of Ireland (this country being also known as "Erin"). I understand that it only became available in rod form (so suitable for turning concertina buttons) in 1927, and Lachenal's were quick to employ it. Wheatstone's first used it on 11th September 1933 (on instruments #32947-8), and you will find this referred to in my article "Some Notes on Lachenal Concertina Production and Serial Numbers". There is an earlier post on the subject here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan atlas Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 FOLKS: perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me. . . but is the serial number 3347SIX or 3347EIGHT......................if the latter, does the Erinoid still apply.............(Stephen: can you tell just from the photo) allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindizzy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 FOLKS: perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me. . . but is the serial number 3347SIX or 3347EIGHT......................if the latter, does the Erinoid still apply.............(Stephen: can you tell just from the photo) allan DH's lachenal english (from 1930s) which is the one I started playing on, has plastic buttons (presumably erinoid or a similar early material) and these look similar .... one thing you notice is that the colours are solid through the material, so the they don't fade much, or wear off with use. You see this a lot on the older bone button models where I think the bone is dyed on the surface, and the buttons have lost much of the original colours. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 FOLKS: perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me. . . but is the serial number 3347SIX or 3347EIGHT......................if the latter, does the Erinoid still apply.............(Stephen: can you tell just from the photo) allan, Well it looks like a SIX to me, which means it is described as a model 3 (the cheapest one in the range) and if you look at a contemporary price list you will see that (though it doesn't have rosewood ends) it should therefore have "ivorine keys" (catalogue terms not necessarily matching ledger ones). If it was an EIGHT, then it would have to be a model 21, with flat metal ends and metal keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan atlas Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 STEPHEN: though i still honestly cannot distinguish the six from the eight, your reasoning does hold up................allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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