Gregor Markič Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) Does anyone know what this is? How is the button layout? Is it worth giving it a try? If it is, why is the price so low? https://www.ebay.de/itm/393557462734?hash=item5ba1da4ece:g:2wAAAOSwb6phN3u8 Edited January 17, 2022 by Gregor Markič Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Chemnitzer concertinas an Bandoneons both have that general appearance. I don’t know enough about either of them to venture a guess as to what this is, but at least now you have something to google. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Ham Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 The listing says it is a bandoneon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, Ethan Ham said: The listing says it is a bandoneon. Listings tend to describe ALL large square concertinas as Bandonions/Bandoneons, but they usually aren't, and this one isn't. Neither is it a Chemnitzer, but it may well be a Carlsfelder... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Stephen Chambers said: Listings tend to describe ALL large square concertinas as Bandonions/Bandoneons, but they usually aren't, and this one isn't. Neither is it a Chemnitzer, but it may well be a Carlsfelder... Looks likely to be a Carlsfelder to me too, and from a good maker (ELA). Not many people play Carlsfelders anymore. You can hear examples of Carlsfelder playing at https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/Various-Artists-Die-Konzertina-in-Franken/hnum/5715990 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x7gZUGfshE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdgZxLqz6BM , etc. Edited January 18, 2022 by Daniel Hersh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 It is kind of big but I like the sound....a mixture of accordion and Organ. Would love to hear Bach on this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, papawemba said: It is kind of big but I like the sound....a mixture of accordion and Organ. Would love to hear Bach on this lol I was critical of this performance when it was posted a few years ago (and still am), but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 wow thank you David, amazing playing on this vid !!! Two brains is needed to play like this. I was sure Bach would sound good on this 😎 Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, papawemba said: wow thank you David, amazing playing on this vid !!! Two brains is needed to play like this. I was sure Bach would sound good on this 😎 Only the one in the video is an octave-tuned tango Bandonion with a large 142-note (71-key) range, whilst the one on eBay is a Carlsfelder with a more-limited one of 102-notes (51-keys) . Here's another Carlsfelder/Karlsfelder concertina in action: Edited January 20, 2022 by Stephen Chambers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemnitzer Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 It's an Eduard Haustein concertina, and l count 28 buttons on the pictured side, but cannot see the other side as the advert is no longer visible. Wish l knew the price advertised too! I have one which is 23 + 28 buttons, slightly different ornamental inlays, but only slightly (pictures of a bird for example). My one seems to be a Scheffler layout, hence not a Chemnitzer as such. Have seen an online blog listing two museum entries as Chemnitzers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mChavez Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 9:37 AM, Chemnitzer said: It's an Eduard Haustein concertina, and l count 28 buttons on the pictured side, but cannot see the other side as the advert is no longer visible. Wish l knew the price advertised too! I have one which is 23 + 28 buttons, slightly different ornamental inlays, but only slightly (pictures of a bird for example). My one seems to be a Scheffler layout, hence not a Chemnitzer as such. Have seen an online blog listing two museum entries as Chemnitzers. There's one of these bad girls for sale on the British ebay right now. Scheffler, 3-voice, looks great and the insides are in decent nick, although all valves need to be replaced and it will need a complete re-tune after it. Seller's ask is quite a bit optimistic by my standards though. I have no relation to the seller by the way, just thought I'd let you know in case you're looking for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemnitzer Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Hi there, it's probably my advert you are referring to What price do you think is right? And what is meant by 3-voice in this context? As far as l'm aware it only does one tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemnitzer Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, mChavez said: There's one of these bad girls for sale on the British ebay right now. Scheffler, 3-voice, looks great and the insides are in decent nick, although all valves need to be replaced and it will need a complete re-tune after it. Seller's ask is quite a bit optimistic by my standards though. I have no relation to the seller by the way, just thought I'd let you know in case you're looking for one. Hey you're the person that helped me ID it! I remember you now. Thank you for all your contributions. I was saying on my ID-ing thread that l'd rather keep it if it's £300 (or less). @mChavez you're welcome to phone me for a sound test, l'm trying to avoid giving my number out on eBay in case they think l'm selling off-site. Edited December 10, 2023 by Chemnitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 9:37 AM, Chemnitzer said: It's an Eduard Haustein concertina ... No, that one was an E.L.A. (Ernst Louis Arnold) - I expect the makers probably bought-in ready-inlaid veneers from specialists in that craft (much as Spanish-style guitar makers still do today), so that they can't be taken as a "signature" of the instrument maker. Quote Wish l knew the price advertised too! The price of anything old very much depends on supply and demand - so that something can be of superb quality, but if there's nobody looking for it (like Carlsfelders and their derivatives) it's worthless (or of little value), but if everybody is looking for it (like 142-note Tango Bandoneons) it becomes priceless (or, at least, very expensive). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemnitzer Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 @Stephen Chambers Thank you. I notice the 4 sound holes which seems more like ELA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mChavez Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Ah, sorry, I thought I was doing you a favour and sending a Scheffler player your way. Price wise, you can't have a market price for something that doesn't have a market - it's whatever somebody's prepared to pay for it. It's really not unusual for similar-ish "chemnitzers" (i.e. any cube that's not a bandoneon) to go for 300-500EUR in Germany. And Germany's probably the only place where folks play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, mChavez said: Price wise, you can't have a market price for something that doesn't have a market - it's whatever somebody's prepared to pay for it. It's really not unusual for similar-ish "chemnitzers" (i.e. any cube that's not a bandoneon) to go for 300-500EUR in Germany. And Germany's probably the only place where folks play them. Chemnitzers (not Carlsfelders) are actively played in the upper Midwest area of the US, and Carlsfelders are actively played in a region of Brazil. I didn't realize that anyone was still playing them in Germany, though I know they were actively played in the Franken region until not too long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mChavez Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Thanks. Yes, I knew about the US but it has skipped my mind. Never heard of Carslfelders in Brasil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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