Chemnitzer

Thanks @malcolm clapp i didn't mind it

@mChavez it's always nice to know price history though. Interesting that makers used decoration from other suppliers, i.e. the decoration isn't unique to my Scheffler. That kind of lowers the worth, makes it less unique. Still pretty. Anyway sorry for the derailment, i misidentified the OP's item.

@wunks that's nice (l heard the violin version). I'd love to play the Captain Pugwash theme, when l first heard it as a MIDI track online (re-heard, l knew it from my childhood but forgot), l tranced out and was unable to stop the looped audio. Maybe a duet concertina would be good for that, because of the staccato notes in each phrase, but it'd have to be keyed to the notes shared between each hand (that's the only occasion i'd want a piano accordion, l'd need only tap the piano key with two fingers to get the staccato ... btw l'm not an accordionist yet, but am considering taking it up)

Could do. With a magnetic tape mod to play mid-80s synthpop.

@Stephen Chambers Thank you. I notice the 4 sound holes which seems more like ELA

@RAc I think the valuation part of this thread boils down to: - In the world of accordions, old and biig definitely does not mean good (personally l don't relish being in a dust cloud of 10 past owners' flakey skin ) - A rare layout should really go for dealer prices as they are the only ones that can afford to hold potentially unsaleable stock - Or give it away for free I don't even get why the Scheffler layout exists, l hopeit wasn't mere competition between chemnitz and haustein's factory in zwickau I read somewhere that Scheffler can give hand-ache

Hey you're the person that helped me ID it! I remember you now. Thank you for all your contributions. I was saying on my ID-ing thread that l'd rather keep it if it's £300 (or less). @mChavez you're welcome to phone me for a sound test, l'm trying to avoid giving my number out on eBay in case they think l'm selling off-site.

Hi there, it's probably my advert you are referring to What price do you think is right? And what is meant by 3-voice in this context? As far as l'm aware it only does one tone.

For the £300 price bracket, l feel it becomes relevant. Just like strange goings on in an atom become relevant if you go macro enough. By the way, l am comparing the market as you advised. Just curious: why would the 120-key bass accordion be worthless even if playable? P.S. I know number of buttons / keys is not the determinant factor, l've seen very small nippy accordions going for very high prices e.g. this Castagnari (the repertoire is sublime, l am considering getting into irish music from hearing this): But l think at an "economy" price band, l think it's a major factor, to be able to play whatever repertoire you want on it.

I am sorry for contradicting you about the Scheffler. I am a polite guy and l speak politely. My response was an uptake on the idea of comparing the market. In the conversation l was having with that other person. Is this turning into a confrontation?

More axes to think about simultaneously, with a diatonic setup Yes that was pointed out to me by someone helping me ID it, that Schefflers are rare which could mean they are disregarded, or it could mean someone is desperate for one. I'm sure l saw one for about £2,000 but l cannot recall where in my searches. Taking it for what it is: a functional, decent sounding accordion, with buttons, and a wide range, the range itself being like one key away from the bare minimum for use in an orchestra (l mean the range, not sound quality, quality is decent as l say but probably not orchestra performance grade). Also its very pretty. So, l see used 30-key English concertinas for about £280-£380. Taking my cue from that, my concertina could never be £300. I'll admit some of the valves may need replacing as is normal. But l don't see any dire need to even do that. Plus, valves aren't that expensive unless a person chooses to go expensive. I feel some valve sellers on eBay are too pricey, l mention in the ad a shop that does them cheap. Also, if l'm prepared to keep it and learn Scheffler if no buyers, then l hope others would consider learning Scheffler too. I'm not an accordionist btw, l'm purely in it for the repertoire, don't care much for the scene, though l'm sure l'd get further into it as time goes by. BTW just so you know, much of what l researched only came to light after l registered and was waiting a few days for approval, so the screen name got outdated fast and the original OP was posted all the same but by then l had already discovered most. P.S. It is definitely a Scheffler, despite Chemnitzers sharing the unisonoric Treble #14, because the button numberings clearly make it a Scheffler.

Blush yes. I really want to sell it and get a nice 48 button English system concertina in a flight case that l can go hiking with. However, the item is so beautiful l might decide to just keep it and learn the system, l hate diatonic but may end up loving it, l think it will help stave off senility if l can get my two brain hemispheres to actually talk to each other, which a diatonic system would surely entrain. Not looking forward to learning it though. Point is, someone was saying l should price it for £300 which l'm reluctant to do (never say never) - surely it's worth more?

@Daniel Hersh Hi there, I can see why you'd say it's a Carsfelder then. Also, the curvature of the layout seems to be more Carlsfelder than Schefflder according to [WARNING: ANOTHER ADD-RIDDEN SITE, but very very very very useful] https://bandochords.de/ So, anyway, l was going by the action of Treble button #14, which is unisonoric on mine. That could only be Scheffler right? [EDIT: No, Chemnitzers - at the very least 104-key - can have a unisonoric Treble #14 too] Odd that nobody calls a 51 button Scheffler "101 keys" therefore, rather than "102 keys". My thread was to ID the device, i.e. maker and keymap. I got too confident and called myself "Chemnitzer" but it aint a Chemnitzer at all. What is outstanding in my query: - Surely it's a Scheffler, agree? Despite the curvature in layout - Does anybody have a catalogue image of the exact item? - What would the actual price range be? The sounds seem very good, though l'm unsure of pitch perfection. It's a very old instrument for sure.

It's an Eduard Haustein concertina, and l count 28 buttons on the pictured side, but cannot see the other side as the advert is no longer visible. Wish l knew the price advertised too! I have one which is 23 + 28 buttons, slightly different ornamental inlays, but only slightly (pictures of a bird for example). My one seems to be a Scheffler layout, hence not a Chemnitzer as such. Have seen an online blog listing two museum entries as Chemnitzers.

Found two Haustein conertinas on this ad-ridden blog, please don't click if you dislike ads, no popups there at least: https://danmelander.tripod.com/concertina/concertina_photos3_early_german.htm What l have is definitely a Haustein, but unlikely to be a "Chemnitzer" as the blog relishes calling them!