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  1. Who else has seen the square ebony Wheatstone English that is newly listed on Ebay today? I tried to copy the main photo, but without success. Who knows about this model? be there, or be Square RJ
  2. Edeophonic Confusion. Following the information thus far: is the Chris Algar owned unique Edeophone (28821) in Britain the same instrument as the Edeophone shown in the photo by Matthew Heumann, where he seems to say that it is his instrument (in the USA)? Perhaps Matthew could clear this up? As of yesterday the instrument was still listed for sale on the Barleycorn website...as it has been for a number of years. best wishes, Robert
  3. Has anyone looked at Barleycorn Concertinas (English Concertinas, for sale), where there is what seems to be an identical Lachenal Tenor-Treble Edeophone with the graceful fretwork? This is still described as the only known one of such design. Am I missing some info, or are there now two such early Edeophones known? (I love my extended Edeophone, from the early 20th). Robert Stewart
  4. I noticed the reference to "Vauderville" (sic). With an "r". It seems that the vendor thinks VaudeRville was a place? or a specific theater? Of course Vaudeville was the widely used American name for what in Britain was called Music Hall entertainment...and this would be the obvious home for an exotic probably comedic instrument . We might guess that the vendor should look carefully inside both ends, and take photos. What if there is a signature in there...as there often was? Robert
  5. I have been playing acoustic instruments (professionally), including English concertina, since the late 1960s (in Britain, then in the USA). Britain had a colder and wetter ambience for many years until central heating or similar systems became widespread. As we probably all know, the Victorian/Edwardian eras were distinctly cold, wet, and smokey when compared to the present. Cities especially were horribly polluted by smoke, mainly from coal fires (think of London, or Bath, or Glasgow etc). Thus the great concertinas of the past were made and played mostly in colder damper dirtier environments than those we store and play instruments in today. In the US, of course, much of the struggle is to keep high quality instruments (of all sorts) humidified, especially in the stunning aridity of the East Coast and the Mid West. There seem to be several conclusions we can consider, but one stands out: musicians were less concerned about "accurate" pitch and pitch variations. There were no digital tools for measuring frequencies. Tuning forks tended to be the standard. This does not mean that musicians were slipshod and careless, but that they played, together or solo, with more concern for music than for tiny pitch variations. Many examples of early recordings show quite different tonal and pitch textures to contemporary modern recordings, and the difference is often thought of as being due to the old recording and pressing (discs, cylinders) methods. But, at least in equal part, they are due to the way ensembles and solos actually sounded. In the Middle East and Mediterranean , or in India (and many other countries) musicians playing together spend time collectively adjusting the modes/scales on their instruments before they actually play anything. But of course, we cannot do that with the concertina. Robert Stewart (currently playing a beautiful extended scale Edeophone from the early 20th century. Which has several "flat"notes, of course. Or are the others sharp?)
  6. This cartoon is a variant of a popular banjo player cartoon, wherein we see the couple in bed, and he is playing the banjo, while she looks at him. He says "What's the matter darling...can't you sleep either?" (Do members of this list read the Wall Street Journal? Are the prices of concertinas that high?) RJ
  7. Perhaps this has been commented upon before (?) but in one of the famous Goya paintings of witches and their goat god, a witch is playing a concertina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches'_Sabbath_(Goya,_1798)#/media/File:Francisco_de_Goya_y_Lucientes_-_Witches'_Sabbath_(The_Great_He-Goat).jpg Look for the figure on the far right, with what looks like a typical Continental style concertina with the two-part bellows. Is 1798 early for a concertina of any kind ? So maybe the Salvation Army knew something about the concertina that needed redemption. Robert
  8. Does anyone know specifically what Wheatstone non-ferrous reeds are referred to here? I can think of many alloys that are non-ferrous. What are the reeds in this fine looking instrument made of? Robert
  9. Just in case this has not been mentioned already: there is a clearly visible (Lachenal?) concertina in one episode of the new Witcher series. Of course, I should be practicing rather than watching Netflix. Robert.
  10. It certainly looks like the famous "golden" Aeola: Alf Edwards had the bellows gilded, and I think this instrument matches various photos of same. The golden treatment gradually wore off over the years. As featured elsewhere, Alf Edwards had several sets of reed pans that he could exchange in the concertina according to musical need. best wishes, Robert
  11. Out of curiosity I messaged the seller, and he responded that he saw similar concertinas for sale online for between $4,000 and $7,000 (yes that is thousands). I wonder on what planet? RJ
  12. https://www.ebay.com/itm/354531095961?hash=item528bb33599:g:S6cAAOSwk5Jjyi4b&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsGitZqxeYFeOdujEM%2FaxjikfMMzoNM9i6hDG%2BSQpg%2FKc2LHzRWx3n9e9Le9daY5%2B4EFFn%2FlUDO8YnbgZ54p2la6ebVo7b%2FGlatVgZOGxjj1Ncr19kXwshZOEJOtoEiczJbgNHiYGNT8kaaIsd2ArACd7f7N6Ih2TFq3LDrbUBiFlLW1MZwspIO4GiZ8Bicl30srwTOuI8Ezy2xkWe2bMm%2FkSoYFzUxQ%2F%2Bo%2B6eYTm05CV|tkp%3ABk9SR5rtkaC7YQ
  13. Richard is 100% right. It is strange, but so well established now, that concertinas are associated with sea shanties. I knew the late Stan Hugill slightly, in Britain. When he sang he was really LOUD. He learned some of his shanties before the mast, as an old time sailor. If the shanty is a work song, at sea, on deck, the sailors have to be able to hear it above the howling winds, flapping sales, roaring seas. The shanty is a work-song, not a relaxing entertainment. So our beloved concertina does not suffice (!). And no one would be playing a concertina while others worked. But the romantic association of concertina and sailing ships is very satisfying for song accompaniment on shore, so why not? Providing we do not confuse history with artistry . Robert
  14. The traditional way to learn tunes in Ireland, Scotland, the Appalachians, was to learn to sing the tune first. In other words it was in the memory before you worked on the fingering. An older musician would sing the phrases to the younger, who would sing them back until they were correct. The instrument was not touched until the tune was learned.Then the fingering learning. Then the decorations... I would be fairly certain that many people on this list will be able to sing some tunes that they have not (yet) learned to play...so we still benefit from memory for music today. Memory before playing, before reading. Gradually this method, which is classic for an oral tradition, seems to have diminished. Robert
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