CanadianNewbie Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Greetings from cold, snowy Canada. In September, with upcoming knee replacement surgery, I knew I had to do something to keep my mind busy while I was off work recovering. I've felt drawn to learning concertina (I thought it would be an easy instrument to learn - HA!). I successfully procured a nice Stagi concertina online that had been owned by a collector who had numerous concertinas but never really learned how to play; basically, the instrument I got was not only new-to-me, but in immaculate condition (according to the shop I took it to deal with a few sticky buttons). From what the seller told me, I believe the instrument to be from the 1980's; it's labelled "Made in Italy" and so I assume it may be a reasonable quality of instrument, not a Chinese knock-off. She's a pretty little thing, a 38 button English, that sounds beautiful to me. Prior to buying it, I had been to a local music shop and tried out the only model of concertina they sold, a 20 button Hohner. It sounded so harsh and shrill it almost put me off the instrument altogether, but the desire niggled at me until I bought the used one online. I've read a lot of negative things about Stagi concertinas, and while I certainly know I don't have a trained ear for what sounds good or what sounds like a "real" concertina, I am delighted with this instrument. I think I've made good progress using the Butler book and am now beginning to source out some other music to expand the variety and keep things interesting. Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself instead silently lurking. Looking forward to getting to know folks here and to learning from you all. Cheers! Edited December 22, 2017 by CanadianNewbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianNewbie Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 Sorry for the pic showing up in the middle of the post. I've tried to edit it, but it keeps going back in the same place. Apparently, I can learn to play concertina but not how to post in the forums! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Welcome to the club! I'm a fairly recent convert myself, learning Anglo on a Concertina Connection Rochelle. I don't know how a Stagi compares, but the main thing I've noticed when trying a "good" concertina is how much more responsive it is. Compared to the Rochelle, a good instrument almost feels like playing air-concertina, there's so little resistance from the bellows. That said, I'm loving the Rochelle, and even after I upgrade I expect I'll still take it out from time to time. Yeah, I have to fight it a bit, but it's a playful fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3DW Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Welcome, Ms. Ontario! I'm glad to hear that you are happy with your Stagi, and I hope your knee is coming along well. Don't get too excited about the comments you've heard about these entry level Stagis. They can have some mechanical issues, and you have somebody who can sort them out if they occur, so great. If it sounds good to you, it just plain sounds good. Let it take you far! With lots of practice you may some day outgrow it, but for now you've chosen well. I look back with fondness to the Hayden-system Elise that got me started; I hope you'll do the same with your Stagi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 A common problem with most[*] of the Stagi/Bastaris is that the buttons get a bit floppy and sometimes disappear inside the concertina. This is easily fixed and it is probably worth taking a look inside your box to see if you will be in need of this fix. Around the foot of each button there is little piece of black rubber tubing that slowly disintegrates over time (years). This post has some pictures. You can probably use any kind of thin tubing of the right size, but if you live near a hobby shop then the sort of tubing they sell for model airplane gas engines works well. If you live near Otttawa then the modelling shop in the Trainyards carries DU-BRO blue silicone model airplane fuel tubing, medium (3/32" id.). If (when) you take the ends off then the trick to getting it back on again with the buttons through all of the holes is to do it by holding the body so that the buttons hang down and then offer the end up to the body from underneath. Don. [*] If you happen to have a Stagi with the 'new improved action' then this does not use the little rubber tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 ...but you mean to say 48 buttons, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee746 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Greetings from cold, snowy Canada. In September, with upcoming knee replacement surgery, I knew I had to do something to keep my mind busy while I was off work recovering. I've felt drawn to learning concertina (I thought it would be an easy instrument to learn - HA!). I successfully procured a nice Stagi concertina online that had been owned by a collector who had numerous concertinas but never really learned how to play; basically, the instrument I got was not only new-to-me, but in immaculate condition (according to the shop I took it to deal with a few sticky buttons). From what the seller told me, I believe the instrument to be from the 1980's; it's labelled "Made in Italy" and so I assume it may be concertina2.jpga reasonable quality of instrument, not a Chinese knock-off. She's a pretty little thing, a 38 button English, that sounds beautiful to me. Prior to buying it, I had been to a local music shop and tried out the only model of concertina they sold, a 20 button Hohner. It sounded so harsh and shrill it almost put me off the instrument altogether, but the desire niggled at me until I bought the used one online. I've read a lot of negative things about Stagi concertinas, and while I certainly know I don't have a trained ear for what sounds good or what sounds like a "real" concertina, I am delighted with this instrument. I think I've made good progress using the Butler book and am now beginning to source out some other music to expand the variety and keep things interesting. Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself instead silently lurking. Looking forward to getting to know folks here and to learning from you all. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee746 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hi Newbie from Ontario. I'm also a newbie, and wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself. I just bought a cheap 30 Button Chinese Anglo concertina (Bonetti) to learn on while I'm recovering from a bad bout of asthma. So your English Stagi sounds pretty good to me! Harmonica and melodica just don't work that well when you are short on breath, so I decided it was time to buckle down and learn a new reed instrument that was bellows based. A neck and shoulder problem meant that a melodeon or accordion was not an option, so concertina here I come! ..And to those of you who will immediately comment that I should have waited until I could afford something more expensive or buy something I couldn't really afford (for most of us that means charging it...), for now, what I bought is working fine. Reasonably in tune (both to my ear, and to my tuner's ear), all the buttons work, the bellows are leak free, and I can learn the fingering while I have some down time. I checked it out carefully during the return period. Yes it's a little slow and the bellows are stiff. But my playing will be slow for a while too. Will it still work 6 months from now? Maybe not, but I can afford it and play it now, which is what I need. I will upgrade when I can, and keep the cheap one for campfire/outdoor sessions or learning how to do simple repairs. I will also do a more formal review of my cheap anglo for people after I've been playing for a few months. I read a lot of posts on this site before ordering my concertina, and was surprised to see how negative people were about today's Chinese equivalents of the old German mass-produced accordion reed "working class" concertinas...It almost seems as if this is no longer supposed to be an instrument that people without a lot of excess cash are supposed to play. I am new to this, so perhaps I am wrong. I hope so. But if this web-site and Dan Worrall's books are any indication, it may be a new development in the "Social History" of the concertina. As long as your having fun with your new concertina and it fills your needs now, I think you have a wonderful thing going. Will be interested in hearing how things progress. Your neighbor to the South. A Newbie from Buffalo, NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twosheds Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Hello all: I, too, am new to the concertina. I started a few months ago with a made in china knock-off that was unplayable. I was then lucky to find a Stagi 20-button Anglo on Craigslist here in Vancouver, Canada. It's been a huge improvement- easy to play, balanced sound, a warm tone, and smaller, lighter, and buttons that work smoothly. It's not a high-end instrument but I am happy with the sound and the action. At some point, I may outgrow it but that will take a while. There's no comparison with my teacher's Jeffries concertina; the action of that is remarkably faster but my fingers are still learning the keys. I think that the buttons might benefit by adding sleeves or felt bushings to reduce the wobble or stickiness that Stagi concertinas are apparently prone to and which one of my buttons seems to suffer from. I have read that Bob Tedrow sold some modified Stagis and read about one Stagi (now sold) that had Norman levers added in place of the originals. I don't think that I would go so far myself. My teacher says "Why spend $500-700 for a beginner concertina only to upgrade a year later to something costing $2,000?" From a cost-benefit point of view, that makes sense, but I didn't know what I wanted back then or even if I would like playing concertina so having paid only $100 for my Stagi, I'm out very little. Bottom line for me: half-decent concertina = greater enjoyment and more progress in playing. When I see my Stagi sitting by itself on the table, I am motivated to pick it up and play it. Caveat: I have no experience in playing similar beginner instruments such as the Rochelle, or Wren2, although I was seriously thinking of getting one when this Stagi popped up. Best, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Welcome to the site, Michael....and best wishes from Ontario too. Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Even if you do buy a (much) more expensive instrument sometime in the future then it is probably worth keeping your Stagi for use outdoors or when traveling. Also, if somebody wants to 'have a go' on your concertina then let them try the Stagi. Inevitably, they will vigorously saw away on the instrument and you will be less upset if they wreck your Stagi than, say, a Jeffries... Edited February 20, 2019 by Don Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twosheds Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Agreed! I have visions of taking my Stagi sailing with me and playing on the back deck with my feet up while anchored in some quiet cove. Cheers- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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