jedcertina?

[Marien]

It is here.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...bayphotohosting

 

The piano keyboard layout on a concertina is not very popular, but somebody who collects strange types of concertinas might be interested to buy this.

 

The seller calls it a lachenal, but I doubt that it is. To me it looks more like an old german one. Is there anyone who knows this specific type of concertina ?

 

Thanks,

Marien

[Daniel Hersh]

Looks more British than German to me, based on the look of the buttons, bellows and handstraps. And the German examples I've seen of this sort of concertina all had "Anglo" style rather than piano style layouts on the left-hand side. But there are certainly those on c.net who have more expertise in this area than I do...

 

It is here.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...bayphotohosting

 

The piano keyboard layout on a concertina is not very popular, but somebody who collects strange types of concertinas might be interested to buy this.

 

The seller calls it a lachenal, but I doubt that it is. To me it looks more like an old german one. Is there anyone who knows this specific type of concertina ?

 

Thanks,

Marien

[Takayuki YAGI]

It looks like British to me too. But different from 2 jedcertinas in Horniman Museum ( here and here ), this ebay one has much more buttons and simpler fretwork.

I would like to hear experts' comment.

 

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Taka

[Anglo-Irishman]

The seller calls it a lachenal, but I doubt that it is. To me it looks more like an old german one. Is there anyone who knows this specific type of concertina ?

 

Marien,

Like you, I tend more towards a German provenience.

The traditional hexagonal German Anglo concertina does havethe button rows parallel to a straight side, whereas the English Anglo traditonally has them at right angles to a straight side. The Klingenthal instruments have this arrangement even today, plus the feature that they have round, drilled soundholes arranged in patterns, rather than the fretwork that is so typical for English instruments.

However, I've often seen old German Anglos on ebay with the English button orientation, and with fretwork rather than patterns of holes, and with the handstraps led through to a screw on the edge of the action-box. Could be that these were made to compete aesthetically with English-made Anglos on the British market ("keeping up with the Joneses," so to speak )

And the fretwork pattern used on this "piano concertina" reminds me of those, rather than of Lachenal.

 

As to the system, I's see this as a Rust-system duet.

 

Cheers,

 

John E. Dallas

(no relation to the John E. Dallas of London, who made some fine classic banjos and zither-banjos, published music - and vended the JEDcertina)

[Daniel Hersh]

It's true that you'll see older German concertinas with curved rows of buttons -- this Viceroy now on Ebay is a good example. And the fretwork on the Jedcertina/Rust discussed here does look more German than British. But I still would guess this one to be British-made, primarily because the size of the buttons and the holes that they sit in seems to me to indicate a British-style metal action rather than a German-style wooden one underneath.

 

It's a difficult call. I've e-mailed the seller to ask if the typical Lachenal marks ("English Make", etc.) appear on the handrests, which might help us figure this out.

 

Daniel

 

The seller calls it a lachenal, but I doubt that it is. To me it looks more like an old german one. Is there anyone who knows this specific type of concertina ?

Marien,

Like you, I tend more towards a German provenience.

The traditional hexagonal German Anglo concertina does have the button rows parallel to a straight side, whereas the English Anglo traditonally has them at right angles to a straight side. The Klingenthal instruments have this arrangement even today, plus the feature that they have round, drilled soundholes arranged in patterns, rather than the fretwork that is so typical for English instruments.

However, I've often seen old German Anglos on ebay with the English button orientation, and with fretwork rather than patterns of holes, and with the handstraps led through to a screw on the edge of the action-box. Could be that these were made to compete aesthetically with English-made Anglos on the British market ("keeping up with the Joneses," so to speak )

And the fretwork pattern used on this "piano concertina" reminds me of those, rather than of Lachenal.

[Daniel Hersh]

And now "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." I guess we'll never know..

[Marien]

And now "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." I guess we'll never know..

 

I saw the pictures again, they were still on ebay and there are a few signs that makes me think that an english make has been sold. That is to say, I have a couple of old german concertina´s (including a viceroy) but I never saw a saxony made concertina with quality bellows like that, that kind of buttons, with red C buttons and with 6 end bolds (rather than screws) placed symmetrically between the edges. Looking at the wood pattern, my bets are on a Jones rather than a Lachenal. For the case anyone likes to see it, here are the pictures.

 

 

So it is sold (for what it´s worth)

[Daniel Hersh]

And now here is one that's definitely German, but it's described as "English" and it's in Poland!.

 

Looks more British than German to me, based on the look of the buttons, bellows and handstraps. And the German examples I've seen of this sort of concertina all had "Anglo" style rather than piano style layouts on the left-hand side. But there are certainly those on c.net who have more expertise in this area than I do...

 

It is here.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...bayphotohosting

 

The piano keyboard layout on a concertina is not very popular, but somebody who collects strange types of concertinas might be interested to buy this.

 

The seller calls it a lachenal, but I doubt that it is. To me it looks more like an old german one. Is there anyone who knows this specific type of concertina ?

 

Thanks,

Marien