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Alf Edwards English concertina


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Someone is selling a concertina he says his grandfather bought from Alf Edwards some 50 years ago. It is Wheatstone English treble on Ebay - link here - and he is asking rather a lot of money for it. Hmmm! According to the Wheatstone Ledgers, serial no. 33075, is a model 17a, which is a black Aeola 48 key tenor-treble, starting at tenor C and going up to F, above the third ledger line. However, the seller says it has silver ends. No pictures of it available yet to verify. Seller says he will add some.

 

Chris

 

Edited to correct a mistake in the text.

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Alf Edward's grandson is selling his grandfather's Wheatstone English treble on Ebay - link here - and is asking rather a lot of money for it. Hmmm! According to the Wheatstone Ledgers, serial no. 33075, is a model 17a, which is a black Aeola 48 key tenor-treble, starting at tenor C and going up to F, above the third ledger line. However, the seller says it has silver ends. No pictures of it available yet to verify. Seller says he will add some.

 

Chris

Well what about this "vintage" one (a steal at only 41 quid so far) from, appropriately, "Eyewash" (or shd that be spit in your eye?) and his/her other items include a bowler hat, just to get that full music hall, Percy Honri effect :D

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-ACCORDION-SCHOLER-SQUEEZE-BOX-HARD-CASE-GOOD-CONDITION-/270892119213?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5755708153199246919

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.... the seller says it has silver ends.

 

I'm curious. :unsure:

 

As they say, the devil is in the detail, but for a £5,000 starting price, are these ends really made of solid Silver, or just Silver plated, or the usual Nickel?

 

After all, elsewhere on eBay, you have to be very, very careful how you describe antique items you are trying to sell.

 

Two days ago, her indoors had money refunded, when an item she bought in good faith as a Bronze, turned out to be just made of Spelter.

 

Cheers,

Dick

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As they say, the devil is in the detail, but for a £5,000 starting price, are these ends really made of solid Silver, or just Silver plated, or the usual Nickel?

In the description is says 'silver/nickel end panels'.

Looking at the wear on the ends I'd say they are plated.

£5k seems a little unrealistic - there's a nice restored TT on eBay currently at £3k.

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In the description is says 'silver/nickel end panels'.

Looking at the wear on the ends I'd say they are plated.

Not sure what "wear" you're seeing. I would expect the metal under plated ends to be brass and to show the brass color clearly where there's heavy wear. I don't think I see anything like that. I think the ends looks more like polished dural.

 

Either way, it would seem that the ends are replacements, since the ledger entry says "Black". (I was thinking that the "black" might mean black paint -- on dural and later removed? -- but there seem to be far too many "black" entries in the pages near #33075, and none saying "ebony". So I guess "black" means black wooden ends, but maybe not actually "ebony".)

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In the description is says 'silver/nickel end panels'.

Looking at the wear on the ends I'd say they are plated.

Not sure what "wear" you're seeing. I would expect the metal under plated ends to be brass and to show the brass color clearly where there's heavy wear. I don't think I see anything like that. I think the ends looks more like polished dural.

 

Either way, it would seem that the ends are replacements, since the ledger entry says "Black". (I was thinking that the "black" might mean black paint -- on dural and later removed? -- but there seem to be far too many "black" entries in the pages near #33075, and none saying "ebony". So I guess "black" means black wooden ends, but maybe not actually "ebony".)

Jim - there appears to be wear close to the finger rests where the plating seems to have worn away.

I noticed that the ledgers say black - so chances are the ends are replacements.

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33075.

Studying the pictures, I personally think that the metal tops are original.

As with most new Aeolas of this period, metal tops were available as an alternative to wood at extra cost.

( From 1935 Pricelist - 'Aeolas can be fitted with Raised Nickel-plated ends, if desired, at £1 10s. extra'. etc.)

Due to the slightly different process when making instruments with metal tops of this style (inset rolled/folded edge), to retrofit such tops would have been a relatively costly exercise.

I am aware the ledger shows 'black' but it is quite possible that the order for this one was changed during manufacture and the ledger entry not corrected.

It is not unknown for entries to be incorrect. Indeed, a nice Wheatsone Amboyna 56 shown to me some years back was described in the ledgers as E (Ebony) ??.

As there is little noticeable difference in colour between the base metal and plating in the worn areas, I would suggest the tops of 33075 are N/Silver and nickel plated. Nickel plating was generally preferred as this had a 'softer' appearance than chrome.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Geoff

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  • 3 weeks later...

Well, it has ended up on my bench for restoration, and I can confirm that the metal ends are original, and that there is a little loss of plating below each finger slide. Other than that, they are in pretty good nick, as is the rest of the instrument. Best of all is the state of the reeds - absolutely untouched since they left the Wheatstone factory, and in concert pitch too, several years before the standard was agreed!

What I can't confirm is that the instrument ever had anything to do with Alf Edwards - though it did come complete with several sheets of rather badly typed lyrics and some music to popular songs of the 40's and 50's.

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