wes williams Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 You may be interested to read the 50+ cases of stolen concertinas by searching for Concertina at The Old Bailey. The first is 1850, so no help about when the name came into use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) You may be interested to read the 50+ cases of stolen concertinas by searching for Concertina at The Old Bailey. The first is 1850, so no help about when the name came into use! Interesting site, Wes...many thanks for the link. Indeed, they mostly seem to be about burglaries. The one in 1850 may have been an EC, as it was valued, along with a coat, at 8 pounds (depends on the value of the coat, which we will never know). Those in 1853 and 1854 seem to have been German concertinas, valued at only a few shillings. The divorces must have been at another, civil court; there don't seem to be any at Old Bailey. Divorce proceedings that I have read from that time period seem to be more interesting in terms of the concertina, because they will discuss how it was played and used. I quoted from several in my books--they were reported in the newspapers at that time--and they discuss all manner of details about playing in the street, including how much the musician made at it. Just in case, Wes, that you or anyone else sees someone digitize the Bow Street Magistrate's Court records in similar fashion (it is now defunct, so maybe it could someday happen) then I am all ears about the 1907 arrest of concertina player and once prominent Irish songwriter Tom Maguire...I'd love to hear what he had to say about the songs he is reported to have written. Here you can read about what I have been able to find so far: http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf If I ever get to London again I plan to look up those records, which are now in an archive somewhere there. Cheers, Dan Edited January 14, 2011 by Dan Worrall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Also interesting that in this archive stolen "accordion" already shows up in 1837... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Does a set of bagpipes fit in your pocket? A remarkable entry contains a prisoners defence about pocketpicking a set of bagpipes in 1831. It is half way down this page. Nothing about concertinas there but I just asked myself - how could anyone be pocketpicking a set of bagpipes. How did the set of bagpipes get into a pocket in the first place? The answer may be in the headline, it happened on St. Patricksday - 160 years ago. As criminal offends have increased I was wondering - do these things happen more often nowadays in UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptarmigan Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Here you can read about what I have been able to find so far: http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf.'>http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf. Cheers, Dan N.B. Dan, you need to remove the full stop from the end of your link, before it'll work. i.e. http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Here you can read about what I have been able to find so far: http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf.'>http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf. Cheers, Dan N.B. Dan, you need to remove the full stop from the end of your link, before it'll work. i.e. http://angloconcertina.org/files/Maguire_research_note_3.pdf Cheers Dick Thanks, Dick. Computers are such sticklers for accuracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatFace Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 There's one where a concertina is cleared of manslaughter (or something like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 It looks like a case of 'Save the Wheatstone 1' If it was swept off the dresser , not used in anger , though , those sharp corners.....I dunno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Drinkwater Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Reminds of that board game Cluedo. It was the lodger wot dunnit in the kitchen, with the concertina! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 ... those sharp corners.....I dunno? So maybe they really brought out the octagonal Æola and dodecagonal Edeophone (instead of those dangerous sharp-cornered hexagonal concertinas) on Health and Safety grounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 It's interesting to see an aeolina (presumably a Wheatstone one) still on sale as late as 1843, in one of the trials here too: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18430227-935&div=t18430227-935&terms=aeolina#highlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 It's interesting to see an aeolina (presumably a Wheatstone one) still on sale as late as 1843, in one of the trials here too: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18430227-935&div=t18430227-935&terms=aeolina#highlight And was William Wheatstone any relation to Charles? Possibly so given the musical instrument connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) And was William Wheatstone any relation to Charles? Possibly so given the musical instrument connection. Possibly so, seeing that they had the same mother and father... (It was Charles' brother, William Wheatstone, who ran their musical instrument business and manufactured the concertinas.) Edited January 19, 2011 by Stephen Chambers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry McGee Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Interesting to analyse the frequency of mentions of the concertina in the Old Bailey records. I found it made the best sense when broken up into five year periods: (Click on thumbnail to enlarge....) Seems to suggest that the concertina nicking went in and out of fashion. Perhaps our historical experts could explain why? By comparison, the flute follows quite a different pattern: The huge peak coincides with the career of the famous Mr Nicholson. It was said that "one gentleman in ten" played the flute in that period. Terry Edited January 12, 2014 by Terry McGee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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