Kautilya

Very smooth with the glass of port Leo! tku mind u I was expecting an older Tears pre-xmas favourite but I think it would need a giant Crabb Bass Baritone Tenor Treble to get the same sound! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg6gD2ZJuss

The Ballad of Idwal Slabs (where?? Here.......... http://www.walk-snowdonia.co.uk/climbing/ogwen.php Now the words http://goldenthread.parks.officelive.com/ballad_of_idwal_slabs.aspx and now the voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXUJKoikSjk

Concerned about Gerrobs thought lost in the Valleys, after a final frantic email asking "Hhave u and T fled the country? Or got arrested and jailed at the Severn border? this reply came: "Well, I’m glad you asked. "I was discomfited in the extreme a few days ago when a giant Roc swooped down from the dizzy heights of the Beacons, seized me in its powerful Roc-y talons and carried me away to its inaccessible eyrie on the rocky shoulder of Fan Gihirych**. Bit of a bummer it was, like. "Fortunately, after an epic escape involving the use of a small packet of rubber bands, half a haddock and the bones of the Roc’s recent prey, which happened to be lying around the nest, I got away and staggered into Sennybridge at 4 o’clock yesterday afternoon, bleeding, cursing and limping and generally looking a bit poop. I rose from my sick-bed to write this missive, such is my dedication" **http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/maenllia.htm It could be this was an end of term school trip and "Sir" disappeared to the delight of his juvenile charges..... which opens up the door a little more for some wit as well as triumph over disaster as in a poem about Cloggy (I have to find it).. Happy thinking! and don;t forget to put © on your musings!

Hoping to try a piano flute version with a few tweaks to match the Penderyn tune, at mulled wine and songs bash round at the neighbours. Where's that public German version??!! In the meantime go and see, for some creative holiday effort: Is there a Welsh mountain song/toon in this Roc? A la Lambton Worm...

'Unfair [bBC] royalties' force Welsh musicians to strike http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/18/welsh-language-musicians-strike-royalties?INTCMP=SRCH and how not to earn a living: New (from Dec 15 2011) BBC 'Radio 4 Extra'(1.6 million listeners) rates per minute Original scripts GBP3.00 Dramatisations (incl. translation) GBP1.85 Source works GBP 1.25 Abridgements GBP 0.80. But: sound Studio Technical Operator BBC Wales https://careers.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?s=AjLiOTqDbSEjGgSby&jobid=40173,3915140234&key=55883410&c=876878877823&pagestamp=seeuxsokcuzixutyiv Salary grade 7L http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/foi/classes/disclosure_logs/rfi20100015_total_salary_spend.pdf

Thank you Leo

This is is after Harry did his formal repertoire from the Leyland stage: "Harry then left the stage and started to walk round the room taking requests and serenading people in the audience. The songs requested (and played) were So In Love With You, Peg O'My Heart, In The Mood, Moonlight Serenade, The Whistler And His Dog, Chattanooga Choo Choo, Blue Moon, Laura, Girl Talk, Cuckoo Waltz, Under The Bridges Of Paris, The Fields Of Athenry, Love Is A Many Spendoured Thing, No Regrets, Autumn Leaves, Rose Of Tralee, If You Love Me, Midnight In Moscow, Galway Bay, Twelfth St Rag, Canadian Capers, Black and White Rag, Swedish Rhapsody, Nola, The Wild Rover, Teddy Bears Picnic, Roll Out The Barrel, I Will Always Love You and Windmills Of Your Mind. After this mammoth list of requests (all of which were played by Harry)[there was a tea break for all, not just Harry!]. Amazing

Whoops - not early hours yTstrad but Ystradgynlais- http://youtu.be/IIEQ4QWK-tE Alas the full sound of all the sessions was lost and these videos are just snapshots and jumpy ones too! But some sweet sounds (alas the singing and instrumentals of the Stowaway Maid of Portsmouth sorry the Maid of the Parish of Penderyn (Rwy'n Caru'r Ferch o Blwyf Penderyn)and Milgi! Milgi! (Greyhound! Greyhound!) also disappeared) :( See you there at probably the last weekend of October in 2012. The sessions and workshops are all free - just put a penny in the old man's hat, if you haven't got a penny, a pound will do, if you ..... It would be great to offer low-cost accommodation for students and distressed gentry (of all ages!)== about 25 beds),self-catering kitchen,cold AND hot, showers, camper and tent parking for around a tenner+ a night. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/917581 But to do this we depend on early expressions of interest even if you are not sure but would like to come (no commitment) in order to make an early booking of the accommodation possible..... or we can't hope to get it against the competition. There's no time like the present - so please email today gerrobs AT hotmail DOT com www.sesiwn.org

Just done some holes on accordion but principle is the same. v easy. Open yr box at one end (preferably where you have felt the air coming out against your cheek. If there are holes all along then you can open one end first and find and glue and then close and open other end. Depends on how small your hands are to reach right through with only one end open. Have a table lamp next to you with an easy on off switch. Turn off main room light. Take a bright small torch Turn off table lamp so you have totally dark room. Let bellows hang down. Shine torch from inside down cracks folds and it should show holes.(put a light pencil mark on the outside of where the crack is to remember spot). Take piece of very thin glove leather (cut- sharp kitchen scissors - a lady's glove up). Cut a diamond shape roughly to cover the hole in the crack/ angle of the bellows or if it is a hole in the straight section then make appropriate rectangular shape. Try it in the crack from inside first without glue (and shine torch on it and look at outside to make sure it is big enough to have blocked the hole. You tend to cut too small to begin with. Take an old cut throat razor or Stanley blade and scrape off leather till it is as thin as you can get it. I don't usually bother.* Paste PVA glue or leathercraft glue on leather patch. Then stick it in/over and around the hole with your finger/ a pencil. Make sure it seats well over and around the hole and has contact with neighbouring good paper/cardboard/leather to get a hold.. Then hang bellows, turn off light and check with your torch again from inside to make sure you covered it. Place pencil or ball point pen in the bellows fold (bellows lying on its side to keep pencil there by gravity and hold the fold open, in order to stop glue sticking elsewhere, while it dries. I hung the small accordion bellows from its bass strap on a coat hanger on a door coat hook while drying, but that was with one end of box still on. *Thing with accordion is that if there are a number of patches inside and the leather is thickish then it becomes difficult to get the locking straps to close the bellows because of the extra thickness you have added. With a concertina without locking straps not so much of an issue. Folk say you should not leave concertina ends off in case the pans warp overnight so after a few hours when it/the patches have dried you can close ends up again. leaks on the box ends - I use a slightly serrated old Victorian fish knife to run along the chamois leather gasket to rough it up a little so the fibres stand proud again in order to recreate the seal. Ifyou mess up the glueing a bit of water on a cotton bud should loosen it enough for you to take it off.

The simple maid from ...... She were [not woz!]a simple stowaway from .... She were a gormless stowaway from.... The naiive maid from.... The vacuous lass from .....

Never mind the quality feel the price - http://shop.bl.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/BritishLibrary/ISBN_9786000008079/86645 that is what it is all about... unless you amazingly find another copy of the Lindisfarne Gospels in a skip behind a caff on Holy Island. The BL should also make a few bob from selling pics of various pages of St Cuthbert's Gospel after getting taxpayers to buy it http://support.bl.uk/Page/The-St-Cuthbert-Gospel Enery's Psalter I cannot see where the BL says it acquired this tho perhaps I am not looking properly but I know they paid a few bob for it and it is the only one so they can demand whatever they like if they start selling facsimiles. http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/henrypsalter.html'>http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/henrypsalter.html Dont reproduce the score from this pic and try to sell it! But you can write out the dots for use on your velum Xmas cards - they 'aint theirs. http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/henrypsalter.html Here are some page prices for Lindisfarne Gs and Book of Kells http://www.alfredom.com/ashop/407.htm

From the IPO guide(their bold): Copyright in the typographical arrangement of a published edition expires 25 years from the end of the year in which the edition was first published. Published editions do not have to be original but they will not be new copyright works if the typographical arrangement has been copied from existing published editions. Fine, so you have to wait 25 years for that (except**). My understanding is that it is the visual image being reproduced from that publisher's book that is at issue(provided the melody and lyrics are also out of copyright, (**from death of the composer/author etc plus whatever). The problem with these interesting discussions is that you have to take all the variables into account for a specific book and its content to be able to come to a clear decision. If you have your own old copy of The Times (found in your great grandfather's rubbish in the loft AND which falls outside the copyright periods then you can reproduce he front page as much as you want and flog it where you want. But try and lift and start selling the version scanned in by Mr Fox and Co then Homer Simpson Detective Agency may well come after you. Perhaps another example to add to the confusion. French novel from say 1870. Out of copyright. But only one copy left in the French National Library. If you want to reproduce a facsimile/photo of the pages of their book you will have to pay them a repro fee depending on how many copies you make and how many copies you are going to sell. However, you then find another copy on the Seine bookstalls and you can make as many copies as you like. If someone then reproduces, without a licence from you, your text page images from that found book , you can probably sue them. OR Write or type up the book yourself from the original BN one -- day after day with quill and ink - then no fee to be paid and you can reproduce your own handwritten version and sell it and then you control the rights on that version. But someone could then go into the library, ask for your book off the shel and write out the text with a ballpoint pen and then sell their ballpoint version. The text itself is free to reproduce in such a way. Translate the French original into German in 2011, then tho the original is out of copyright, your translation then gets a copyright life of its own and no one else can use that translation in any form without permission from you alone. Put your own fancy cover on your translation and no on can reproduce that either , with proviso for text and cover that is, until the relevant copyright periods expire. Probably no clearer either!

I finally found your quoted passage again, but 'this government guide' isn't a link, or explained ( and there are many such guides). The guide I normally use for copyright is The Intellectual Property Office. This seems to suggest 25 years for any published item, or 50 years for a published recording. It also says that previously published items may not be re-copyrighted without substantial change. So the 78rpm recordings that I republish on my website are effectively public domain, and I have no claim on them, as are the articles that I reproduce. Public performance and reissue of original works are in a different category relating to the author or owner. In the past we've published stuff in PICA from The London Gazette ( the Government's legal journal) and the conditions at the time were up to 200 words with a credit to HMG as source. It seemed that publishing the original would be possible, but we decided on a transcription for easier reading. 200 words plus credit is a perfectly usable limit for most research purposes, and most archives I've used imply similiar terms. That's why I'm so annoyed with the terms and conditions you are meant to agree to in this case. Image and Transcription The critical factor here is perhaps the phrase ",,,desire was to prevent images being used in a book/ profit making enterprise" It is the image in which BL are claiming copyright as they scanned/photoed the image. If you go and scan/photo and reproduce the original image from an OUT OF COPYRIGHT book or newspaper which you bought in a bootsale, you have copyright in that image which you took. If you want to transcribe the text from an image or book at the BL which is out of copyright then the BL has no more rights over the text than anyone else. So, as far as I understand, if you reroduce (in other words copy/scan/photo the layout of the latest score with words for the Maid of PEnderyn as printed in let us say a book called the 2011 edition of Welsh Songs for the World then you would be infringing their image/version copyright. But if you put up the words of this well out of copyright song/tune by typing them into your own score then that becomes your version copyright. You could sit and copy out the original plain chant dots and words of the Te Deum from say mediaeval manuscript and not have to pay anyone, BL or otherwise, to reproduce your own physical dots and words. They have no rights over the out of copyright content - only the visual image as they want to sell make money out of that visual image. For the Te Deum, anyone wanting to get into the arguments over who wrote what,where,when and since can get bored here http://www.canticanova.com/articles/hymns/artd41.htm

I thought that comment would come! Yes, the fog-bound introduction should, I feel, be slow, á la Vivaldi "Autumn". I would speed up at "But young Johnny came by ...", then - maybe - slow down again, but with emphasis, at "But after a fortnight ..." What about "The Lass in the Lifeboat"? Although that sounds more like a castaway than a stowaway! Glad the inspiratorcreatormanagement liked it! Thanks for the kind words about the sick voice, but some of the lines peter (teeter) out pathetically. Make the Buena Vista Social Club sound like a boy group! Cheers, John The Stowaway Lass from Portsmouth Portsmouth's Stowaway Lass The Lass who stowed away at Portsmouth The Lasst ferry from Portsmouth (sorry - could not resist that one) and of course the Lasst Laugh in the Lifeboat. She's a stowaway from Portsmouth She was a stowaway from Portsmouth She's the stowaway from Portsmouth She stowed away at Portsmouth Bay The Fair Portsmouth Stowaway Portsmouth's Fair Stowaway Portsmouth's (Bremen's, Hamburgs,Helsinborg's, Malmö's, Liverpool's, Birkenhead's, Mersey's, Staten;s, Hong Kong's, Woolwich's, Skye's, etc etc) Fair Stowaway He stowed her away at Portsmouth (There is no literary law against a long title, (tho shorter and sharper the better), and bear in mind one toon originally suggested for the words aint short (I loved ) Rwy'n Caru'r Ferch o Blwyf Penderyn - The Maid From The Parish Of Penderyn.

Congrats!!!! The inspiratorcreatormanagement is proud of you! For your cold (which gives your voice quite a nice yxes tone actually) - may one suggest you revert to hot toddy for your body -- tea will not help you while on the job! I reckon you could gain some effect if you speed up the music in the middle .... as the action speeds up so to say.... and then slow down again after the Capn comes on the scene. I wonder if there is any way of working a hint into the title that the stowaway is a lady...... one tends to think (even if it is not PC today ) of a stowaway usually being a man....

Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdqJsmL_UQ0&feature=related Just as Ishtar said: It depends on the hands playing (and lips blowing) the instrument (as on its make anyway, I guess). Great find, sounds and so atmospheric. Not cheap http://vente.donkiz.fr/ventes/accordina.htm tho dramatically better sounding than melodica (which has less options tho cheaper - in fact I just got one for free.........). Melodica needs a lot of lungpower/air so would be interesting to know how much effort, if you get try one out Ishtar, the accordina needs , in comparison say with a "full size' harmonica. Also volume in comparison say with a regular Anglo 'tina. The 16 yr old had a mic on her side blown model and do i see a wire coming out of Dreux's end blown (as per melodica)model? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFOqXt4G24o

For those follwing these events last year when players got a bit of travel money and could put a hat out to be filled by punters on the architectural trail weekend) (www.outdoormusicinwirksworth.org) there is an update from organiser Dave Smith Hi all, we had a good evening last friday for the local Traders Xmas Special (thanks all) and we have a nice line-up for the Xmas Farmers Market this Saturday 10.00-14.00 (See attached Poster for details - but there is room for more! The farmers market may finish at 14.00 but punters will stick around, there's the Lighting of the Xmas Tree with carols with brass band, Peace ceremoney etc at 17.00 and other things happening that afternoon, so it's worth coming along. 1 We may hav e space for one more Act at the Market - contact me if interested. Peli Deli will welcome solo performers (quiet and gentle music) Saturday11.00-16.00 - free refreshments This is not an OMinW event - contact Mike direct Mike Peli Deli <mikeATpelideli.com>; 2. The Hope and Anchor p/h will welcome musicians on Saturday to play indoors (acoustic, or bring own mini-amp) from 13.00-15.00 onwards - This is not an OMinW event - contact Kevin Dowson direct Kevin Hope Dowson <dowson.kevinATbtinternet.com>; 3. Finally the Red Lion are launching a music event Sunday 4/12 11.00-15.00 in thier main bar, probably with timed Acts rather than a general Session - free beer for performers. This is not an OMinW event - contact Peter at infoATtheredlionetc as above. Hope some of you make the above events, hope you enjoy! seasons whatsits dave smith OMinW PS - I'm off travelling in early january and a new Team will handle things next year - full details to follow as soon as we've got them sorted - don't worry, it should be even better than before, the project needs a team and I've consistently failed to build one so this is a great opportunity. Any offers to help? Please? Contact me if you want to discuss this

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Congrats! Do I see a link to sight and or sound coming up?? :)

Serendipity! Chanced upon a flautist getting on to the Tube Thursday night and mentioned this discussion. She had just been playing in a concert of 'ancient' music (she flauts in one of the main London orchestras tho I cant recall which) and when I mentioned playing genuine 'old music' only on un-keyed flutes and the big shift after Boehm she produced her........... one-keyed baroque flute!! Look like it was black ebony. I was also asking her about identifying a French court dance flute piece a couple of us have been trying to find a name for. It was played along with various instruments including a concertina. Would any of u flutlogists here be interested in trying to identify it? :unsure:

Hi Kautilya Would PDF's work? http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=9622 Thanks Leo Smartypants**! Tku Leo and of course Tzirtzi for all that work ! Yes pdf fine. And chance to use C and F boxes too **I don't know how you do it so fast and cleverly. I am reminded of everyone at a particular publishing house always going to see my other half (U) when they had a research problem or to find an answer and much later someone saying to her "Before Google, there was U!"

No diversionary tactics Dirge - waiting to hear these played on your renovated box! Dont know how this works - it just started playing the sound/video (control is threequarters of the way down the webpage... but it is stuff on Auber including Le Domino Noir, the opera mentioned on the first score you (Jake) offered so kindly. Trying to work out what relates to what (all this sight reading and no lyrics..... Here the first link which is linked then to utube http://www.getalyric.com/listen/qJwJZFG8mmY/daniel_auber_le_domino_noir_je_suis_sauvee_enfin_magdalena_kozena_ This floats on a much higher plane than the Isle of White Wench as we are talking a young novice nun here ... sort of Sound of Music Maria with the Captain. Mind you the Austrian ländler sounds good on bandone/on http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=l%C3%A4ndler+bandoneon&sk=&mid=5D8E6A86CC5937774E475D8E6A86CC5937774E47&FORM=LKVR This must be one of those price nd weighht 50,000 pound (Philippe) Patek boxes that come with a free diamond watch. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=l%C3%A4ndler+concertina&sk=&mid=0A7BA40B4B1076BEFC960A7BA40B4B1076BEFC96&FORM=LKVR4

They're in the US Fantastic find (as usual)Leo! And Saruman would be proud of the hairstyles too.....though as it went along I began to think it was an instrumental remake of the Life of Brian and the Ministry of Silly Dances. Still looking for that abc.... and thinking I can hear tentative sounds of a NZ tina wafting over the White Ship on the ocean waves...

I've hardly ever met another concertina player here in France, whatever the system and number of keys. Maybe the use of the instrument in circus by clowns, you could call that a "niche", but a tiny one ! It seems they have all emigrated to the land of the Free(-reed)! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005284YOS/ref=asc_df_B005284YOS1792334?smid=A1Q4A7YXTO45KY&tag=dealtmp5010-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B005284YOS

The bells would have given her (them ) away......! And more lyrics waiting for a tune.... http://www.rhymes.org.uk/mary_mary_quite_contrary.htm Although this does open up the dungeon door for a new, boat/ferry linked escape theme on the Thames from the Tower of London 'with her 'ead, tucked, underneath her,, she walks the Bloody Tower. It's about Anne "Bell"-yn http://www.bing.com/search?q=with+her+%27ead%2C+tucked%2C+underneath&go=&qs=n&sk=&form=QBLH&filt=all