wes williams

Dirge has dropped his original price by a couple of hundred, so be quick!

And guess who bought the beast 😁. It'll be a bit too big for standing up playing after my usual 46 Maccann and Jeffries and Lachenal Anglos 😆. So c'mon all you folks who want a Maccann, the 56 is a very good starter that you can do a lot on!

Look what you've missed in your absence: http://www.concertinas.org.uk/DuetAudio.htm

My guesses on what the number might read are the same as yours. But since you say its an early treble 15769 would be c.1870, while 55769 would be c.1915. Anybody else have a guess?

Takayuki - That one is circa 1911.

The ICA are posting a sticker to all members - "We thought it worth while sending all members a sticker for their concertina box as it would be a permanent advert for the Association as well as giving the website details and the relatively new notification of World Concertina Day in the expectation that it will be noticed by non members and act as a recruiting sergeant." But yesterday I got an email from one of the committee members saying "Your original design for the ICA sticker was brilliant and has stood the test of time." I replied that I couldn't remember ever doing this design and it would have been beyond my abilities back around 2000/2001 when I first joined. Luckily I found the answer within ten minutes of browsing the ICA Archive. The logo first appears in Concertina World No. 393 Sept/Oct 1993 with this text: NEW LOGO How d'ya like the new logo then (see below)? I'm very pleased with it and want to give a big thank you to Michael Munday for all his hard work. (You can see an example of his work every week in the Radio Times "My T.V. Dinner" feature.) I now have T- shirts available with the new logo on. Yours for not-a-lot. (See separate ad.) So the designer was Michael Munday who is based at Lewes, Sussex. The Concertina World Editor at this date was Charlotte Oliver, who lived in Brighton, Sussex which is a 30 minute car journey away or 12 minutes by train. So perhaps they came into contact back then. So I'd like to dispell any rumours that I might have been responsible for the logo! And many thanks to Michael for his brilliant design. But what if you have more than one instrument? Anglo players often carry a couple of boxes in different keys to events. Will extra stickers be available to purchase?

Any anglo in the 184xxx range fits into c.1910 in our estimates.

Geoff has posted an updated dating document in this thread (6 Jan 2024). Took me a while to find it again!

Geoff Crabb has posted dating info fairly recently (Jan 2024), see near the end of the thread here . Check it, but it seems to be 1966.

And on the same day on the same thread, I provided a link to a page I put up on this site 23 years ago 🧐 - https://web.archive.org/web/20110514131052/www.concertina.net/ww_pitch.html

We estimate 17037 as circa 1871

If you are trying to link to external files its worth remembering that you need them to be on a secure site (starting https:). So I can't link to anything on my website since its only http: which is understandable for the security for this site. I've used dropbox reliably for many years, and you get 2GB of storage for free. When you get the link for your file from dropbox it will end dl=0 which means dropbox will try to display it , but if you change the address ending to dl=1 it will enable it to be downloadable.

We usually refer to these as 'Aeolas', but this was used in earlier ledgers for a six sided version based on Model No.6 (48 key) or Model No.8 (56 key) first appearing in September 1889 . The later Aeolas were octagonal, so thats why they are described as 'Octo' in later ledgers.

Go ahead and claim Duty Exemption, Matt. We estimate #42129 as circa 1904.

Thanks Rod, We've only just added Kurt's recordings to the Duet Page. Although I didn't know him personally, his prescence on the forums for many years was always of the highest standard.

Thanks, but not necessary - ancients like Stephen and I (and many others) are always happy to help if we can.

English 59463 is estimated as circa 1923. English 59802 is estimated as circa 1926.

Apologies if this programme has already been mentioned, but I couldn't find it in a forum search. RTE Raidio na Gaeltachta has a lot of videos on youtube featuring many Irish musicians, each programme lasting around an hour and a half. You'll find the full list by searching youtube for 'Cuan an Cheoil ' but here are a few that feature concertina: Edel Fox & Caoimhín Ó Fearghail Louise & Michelle Mulcahy Cormac & Eoin Ó Beaglaoich Saileog & Eoghan Ó Ceannabháin Caitlín & Antóin Mac Gabhann I'm still digging through!

Paula - You'll find that at https://web.archive.org/web/20110514131052/www.concertina.net/ww_pitch.html. Many 'missing' things from lots of sites can be found using the Wayback machine at archive.org.

Paula, Our best guess is circa 1891

There's a lot in the Galpin article I linked about expanding the SA workshop circa 1895. Perhaps these SA labels were added there, and the Lachenal oval holes enlarged, not a major modification?

That one seems to be about the same date as the others - 154398 is estimated as circa 1897.

Could be, Jim. But a number that low would set it firmly in the Louis Lachenal period, and by the looks of the photo it seems more modern. Chris - 32 key (2 bird calls) anglo S/no 111199 estimated as circa 1890. 48 key Tutor S/no 20594 estimated as circa 1876.

Yes, thats the serial, but unfortunately I can't read it from your photo. At a guess its 172xxx which would be circa 1902. Anybody else have any idea?

And here is a picture of 38694. The full description can be viewed here. You should have said 'The article I quoted refers to the year AN instrument was acquired by one famous player ...' and this would have been one of the earliest aluminium reed plate Edeos, but not this 38694 one . As I indicated in an earlier post, instruments of an 1894/5 date would be expected to have a serial around the 32000 mark from receipts, which makes 38694 to be estimated as 1889/1900. While you are welcome to your own opinions on our estimates, the author of your 2005 quote (Stephen Chambers) now uses these estimates as the best currently available, and has been part of the group of researchers and restorers working towards these estimates over many years. If you'd care to dive into the JSON data on 38694, you'll find that Steve Dickinson (owner of Wheatstone) came up with a similar date in a 2013 assessment: 'Probably dates from around 1900. Aluminium reed frames corroded, the high carbon steel reeds are age hardened and work hardened. Bellows fine. Not suitable as a playing instrument.'