harpomatic Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Amigos, I would like to re-finish my pearlarized/oid/MOTS concertina ends, have worked with wood finishes, and can competently do the job, as long as I can remove the original plastic - that's where I need your help. In some places it can be lifted slightly, but others seem as if the MOTS layer is melted into wood, as if it was liquid at first, forming a tight seal. Any suggestions on how to safely remove this plastic layer, without disturbing wood underneath too much? Thank you in advance, Misha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I have no experience of how to remove it, but I can tell you that the traditional accordion finish is celluloid (highly inflammable) and it is applied by first softening it in acetone, so it does kind-of melt into the wood. Another consideration is that the woodwork is likely to be poorly finished, seeing that it was intended to be covered up in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 ...I can tell you that the traditional accordion finish is celluloid (highly inflammable)... So there's your answer, Misha. Burn it off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomatic Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 So there's your answer, Misha. Burn it off! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can see it would be an ideal technique for a "natural charcoal black" finish, but I have a deep blue in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Collins Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 . Misha You might try using an old clothes iron, using a sheet of thin teflon between the plastic and the iron to keep the iron from sticking to the plastic. Starting with low heat, rub the iron to the plastic and see if this would relax the bond of the plastic to the wood. Slowly raise the temperature and see what happens. Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 traditional accordion finish is celluloid (highly inflammable) and it is applied by first softening it in acetone Very highly inflammable, more like semi-explosive. If you remember the way that the trail of gunpowder burns in old westerns (where they are about to blow up the abandoned mine with the heroine/children/dog etc inside), well it burns like that. Chemically its very similar to cordite. I have used old accordion parts as firelighters. Very effective. Acetone is not very nice stuff either. I believe that the traditional accordion makers method of softening uses a mixture of water and acetone. This means that the softening of the celluloid is more controlable. They also used an adhesive made of celluloid scraps dissolved in acetone. This might be what you are seeing the remains of. If you get the red stuff off and the wood underneath is too rough to refinish, I can supply you with plain black celluloid to put back on! Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomatic Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 Thanks, Wade & Theo. This is scary stuff, though. Explosions, fire.... I wish I had something to practice on, Regretably, my toilet seat is not such a decorative one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 This is scary stuff, though.Explosions, fire.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And nobody even mentioned spontaneous combustion yet ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomatic Posted March 25, 2005 Author Share Posted March 25, 2005 Thank you guys, I'll try to find some practice material first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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