Lachenal Anglo Central Fretwork

[nkgibbs]

I have just taken delivery of a Lachenal Anglo #6412 (circa 1866) which, like Stephen Chambers' #7602, does not have any central fretwork (see photo).

 

Does anyone know when / at which number the central fretworking was introduced?

 

Best Regards,

Neil

 

 

[wes williams]

Good question Neil, but one I suspect nobody will be able to answer. I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated, but since Lachenal was a production line, I wouldn't be surprised if this model of anglo continued for quite a while. I think we need to do the same as we did with the trademark - ask everybody to contribute until we arrive at a small range of numbers. Anybody?

 

Edit to add: 6825, a 2 and a half row anglo is fully fretted (Horniman Collection). Full fretting is definitely on a 20K No. 23108, and 'simple ends' (?) has been noted for a 20K No. 15436 (both Horniman)

Edited September 18, 2009 by wes williams

[nkgibbs]

Good question Neil, but one I suspect nobody will be able to answer. I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated, but since Lachenal was a production line, I wouldn't be surprised if this model of anglo continued for quite a while. I think we need to do the same as we did with the trademark - ask everybody to contribute until we arrive at a small range of numbers. Anybody?

 

Edit to add: 6825, a 2 and a half row anglo is fully fretted (Horniman Collection). Full fretting is definitely on a 20K No. 23108, and 'simple ends' (?) has been noted for a 20K No. 15436 (both Horniman)

 

Wes,

Good idea.......maybe the combination of numbered buttons AND 'simple' fretwork might narrow things down a bit; does #15436 have numbered buttons?

 

Best Regards,

Neil

[Stephen Chambers]

I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated ...

There were intermediate models too, like these:

 

 

#5086

 

 

#5681

[nkgibbs]

I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated ...

There were intermediate models too, like these:

 

 

 

Dear Stephen,

 

Do both these concertinas have numbered buttons?

 

Top one looks an odd beast with the makers oval above the handrest..............were these common?

 

Is there a trademark on #5681?......presumably that dates it to post-1879 so maybe my estimate of circa 1866 for #6412 is incorrect?

 

It's very easy to get hooked on the minutae of these things....................

 

Neil

Edited September 22, 2009 by nkgibbs

[drbones]

My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork

[nkgibbs]

My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork

 

Dear Dr Bones,

 

I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ??

 

Regards,

Neil

Edited September 24, 2009 by nkgibbs

[drbones]

My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork

 

Dear Dr Bones,

 

I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ??

 

Regards,

Neil

I must be missing something here.

[nkgibbs]

My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork

 

Dear Dr Bones,

 

I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ??

 

Regards,

Neil

I must be missing something here.

 

No, I don't think that you are missing anything; it's just that the concertinas that don't have the central fretwork seem to be pretty early in the Lachenal output. It makes sense that your much later concertina does have a central fretwork.

Best reagrds,

Neil