nkgibbs Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I have just taken delivery of a Lachenal Anglo #6412 (circa 1866) which, like Stephen Chambers' #7602, does not have any central fretwork (see photo). Does anyone know when / at which number the central fretworking was introduced? Best Regards, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) Good question Neil, but one I suspect nobody will be able to answer. I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated, but since Lachenal was a production line, I wouldn't be surprised if this model of anglo continued for quite a while. I think we need to do the same as we did with the trademark - ask everybody to contribute until we arrive at a small range of numbers. Anybody? Edit to add: 6825, a 2 and a half row anglo is fully fretted (Horniman Collection). Full fretting is definitely on a 20K No. 23108, and 'simple ends' (?) has been noted for a 20K No. 15436 (both Horniman) Edited September 18, 2009 by wes williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Good question Neil, but one I suspect nobody will be able to answer. I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated, but since Lachenal was a production line, I wouldn't be surprised if this model of anglo continued for quite a while. I think we need to do the same as we did with the trademark - ask everybody to contribute until we arrive at a small range of numbers. Anybody? Edit to add: 6825, a 2 and a half row anglo is fully fretted (Horniman Collection). Full fretting is definitely on a 20K No. 23108, and 'simple ends' (?) has been noted for a 20K No. 15436 (both Horniman) Wes, Good idea.......maybe the combination of numbered buttons AND 'simple' fretwork might narrow things down a bit; does #15436 have numbered buttons? Best Regards, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated ... There were intermediate models too, like these: #5086 #5681 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) I think the fretwork may also have changed as the models got more sophisticated ... There were intermediate models too, like these: Dear Stephen, Do both these concertinas have numbered buttons? Top one looks an odd beast with the makers oval above the handrest..............were these common? Is there a trademark on #5681?......presumably that dates it to post-1879 so maybe my estimate of circa 1866 for #6412 is incorrect? It's very easy to get hooked on the minutae of these things.................... Neil Edited September 22, 2009 by nkgibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbones Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork Dear Dr Bones, I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ?? Regards, Neil Edited September 24, 2009 by nkgibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbones Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork Dear Dr Bones, I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ?? Regards, Neil I must be missing something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 My 20 button is #115107 (around 1904) and it has the central fretwork Dear Dr Bones, I'm not quite sure whether you mean that your #115107 has or hasn't got a central fretwork ?? Regards, Neil I must be missing something here. No, I don't think that you are missing anything; it's just that the concertinas that don't have the central fretwork seem to be pretty early in the Lachenal output. It makes sense that your much later concertina does have a central fretwork. Best reagrds, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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