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Yuxin Ding

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  1. I know some people are playing concertina (or accordion, piano, etc) with their guitar nails. Probably not the smartest way.
  2. If your are looking for play classical on Anglo, then my suggestion would be 40button Wheatstone or 38b Jeffries. One of the major way to play on Anglo is in the bouncy style like English dance musics, but for 30b instruments, for many cases the melody can be only played in the seesawing bouncy style although the sheet says there should be an even accompaniment with a fluent melody. A 40b or 38b have many alternate buttons for the notes that 30b already have but on another bellow direction, it's very helpful to move the melodies to right hand side as much as possible and sometimes make the whole bar or phrase can be played on one same bellow direction. I'm not saying the issue would be totally ceased on 30+button instruments, but it surely will reduced. Anyway, for myself, more button doesn't mean more confusion but more simplicity.
  3. If it were me, I would choose the latter without any of hesitation. I’ve played Scarlatti (in China branded “Blazefine”) for a while, it gave me a terrible experience because any part of it was fragile and smelled like bad plywood. Im playing a Bastari (now Stagi) 40 button instrument, it’s surely not a fancy box but still way better than a Scarlatti. I'm not sure if Bastari from different eras will come close in quality, but I don't believe any of them will be inferior to the Scarlatti. Edit: £275 is quite a good price if the instrument is working as supposed.
  4. That's funny to say, I've never had the chance to touch my favorite instrument yet. The instrument in my dream is a 40 button Anglo Concertina, but this kind of instrument are so rare on the market, they're either too expensive that out of my budget or too Bastari-ish. Actually I am playing a Bastari W-40-MS now and I guess I need to play it for a really long time until I can find, or afford a better one.
  5. I made this range chart based on a piano keyboard, to help myself when arranging tunes couple months ago. It shows what note a concertina can play and how many of them on it. Hope this chart would make helps for some people on some purposes. Forgot adding in the chart, it's for CG instruments. Actually I was kinda shocked when I found out all the "accidentals" are only on one direction of bellow movements for 30b, but many of music composers can still make good music for it.
  6. A little off the topic, but the URL with Chinese domain "concertina.cn" was registered and holding by a concertina wire factory......
  7. The harmonica reeds are specially made and mounted on a whole metal plate as long as the harmonica, and they are very close to each other. It would be tricky to assemble these whole things on a concertina if the maker don't re-mount them into smaller reed-shoe each individually. But given the labor costs, the re-mounting work is not making anything cheaper than just using accordion reeds. By the way, this reminds me the old Russian accordions or bayans, they have all the reeds riveted on a very long plate, which makes the maintenance work a nightmare. And here's also a conjecture, the harmonica reed is usually tiny and may require a very strengthful air flow, (i.e. by human lungs) to make the sound it supposed to make. I don't think a concertina bellow can make the air flow as strong as a human's lung.
  8. Just got word from Wang that when he finished prototyping (the blue one in the photo) and the first instrument (mahogany one in the video), just recorded the video in that link, and both instruments were sold. Now it seems that who owns an actual WF-System concertina has become a mystery...
  9. And here the video is! I can't find one more shows how Wang plays the WF except this quite low resolution video. Seems this video was filmed like at least a decade ago. I tried to ask Wang himself for more materials but he didn't reply my message yet due to the Chinese New Year. Actually I, myself don't think the WF-System is a very good idea, it surely does make the melody be more fluent and colorful but it almost killed all the benefits to play chords on the Anglos. I guess when Wang made this layout, he didn't know there are English or Duet Concertinas. And he did want to make the grace notes and vibratos possible on a concertina, then the WF-System came out. But his mirror row which is a solid invention we can't doubt, absolutely reduced the impact of the air issue on a bisonoric instrument. The performance in video is not something close to harmonic style like I said in the beginning of this threat, sorry about the mistake I made there.
  10. Since the origin of free reed instruments (笙, Sh’eng) in China, this type of instrument has hardly changed in this country. Even in the last few hundred years, Sh’eng have ceased to be a mainstream instrument. It was not until the 20th century that China gradually accepted the chromatic accordion under the influence of the Soviet Union. There are many kinds of free-reed instruments in Europe, but most of them are rare in China, especially the concertina. Nonetheless, there are some Chinese people who are keen to learn about things that are rarely seen around them and there was even an accordion maker who designed his own concertina system, WF-System By Wang Guoping(王国平), A.K.A. Wang Feng(王峰), that’s how the “WF” comes from. See the layout chart below: Wang’s design is based on a 20b Anglo-German concertina but with C/B rows rather than C/G, like all other Anglos. I think this combination is what we usually seen on the RHS of a multi-rowed melodeon. And he made an additional C-scale row on the top, with exactly the same notes but all on another direction of pulling and pushing. There are also a 20b version, which is without the reversal rows on both side and the 6th column on RHS. And for the actions, Wang’s concertina are pretty similar to the larger instruments like Chemnitzer Concertinas or even Bandoneons. It has multiple reeds for one single note in octaves, which is what all the Chinese players usually want for an accordion: more reeds. And of course, his concertinas are huge like: Look how huge it is! If a person who doesn't know all about this sees this photo, the person might have a cognitive issue: is this a shrunken person holding a normal-sized concertina or a normal-sized person holds a huge instrument? Wang's main job is to make and repair accordions, and he is very busy every day (i.e., my accordion has been in his workshop in Beijing for over half a year, and still in a long waitlist!) I haven't had a chance to try any of his instruments myself, so I don't know how they play. But I've seen some of his video and it seems he can play harmonic style on his instrument. I’ll try to upload some of those video on Youtube. What do you think of his design?
  11. There's definitely no brickbats since I totally agree to your suggestion. But any kinds of Duet system are somehow familiar to me since I used to play free bass accordions and I'm looking for something "strange." Otherwise, after a year of practice, playing close to duet is still not out of the question to me, although more rote memorization is clearly there. For an harmonic style Anglo playing, it requires a lot of sneaky to pretend everything is going on the same time but actually not, I think that's an adorable trait and extra buttons up to 40+ can actually reduce this issue. Of course, that still not really turns an Anglo duet.
  12. The instruments beliked the players' style are not coincidence. I was in a band with my bass and there was a girl plays drums. We both are quiet and deep voiced people when talking and the most outgoing and expressive guy is always the vocal and the guitar. I think such a config is default for many bands. For concertina, as a musical instrument that emerged in the era of the Industrial Revolution, the appearance of the concertina were usually with the rococo style decoration that was popular at the time, so I’m with marimo-maiden about the neutral color vintage clothing style. Perhaps we should wear a suit with a bowtie when playing, just like the inventor Charles Wheatstone in his photographs.
  13. For Stagi or Chinese Anglo, it's hard not to get caught when playing in a quick change of direction. For this, a 40-button would somehow keep a phrase in the same direction without switching direction frequently. I assume the situation I'm talking about would be less pronounced on better instruments with better reeds, but I haven't been able to get my hands on any Hybrid or traditional models so far, so I don't know for sure.
  14. Sorry to hear your sad story. I'm curious what was actually happened behind it.
  15. Over the past year I've tried a 40-button Stagi Anglo, a Chinese made 30b and an English, I finally settled on Anglo and I'm looking for a step forward, getting a better instrument. And in 30b vs. 40b, I think the more is the better. Based on my own research, it seems only those fancy workshops produce the instruments have more than 30 buttons, like Wakker or Suttner (too expensive!) But the Phoenix, Clover or Morse Ceili level instruments, which the prices are in the range that I can afford, are seems all 30-buttons. Actually, Stagi is not too bad for me, if there is no a proper 40b, I'll just go on my Stagi until my budget is enough for a traditional instrument like Wakker or Suttner, etc. (Could that come true?) Does anyone have or have had the same thoughts as me? What decision did you make eventually? Yuxin
  16. I think you may want to make sure the felt on the end of connecting rod covers the air hole for the key you've mentioned completely. Such a situation exists on every entry-level concertinas. You can adjust the rod, for example, bend it slightly to reposition the felt, or you can replace the spring of the rod with a more strengthful one.
  17. It's seems just like the BC accordion you've said. Considering that Irish musical instruments are hardly known in China, maybe the accordion maker in Beijing made the instrument you discussed by coincidence. I recently contacted the accordion maker, and seems he's no longer make concertinas anymore, how sad.
  18. And nowadays, depends on my research, the number of manufacturers are no more than that. What I've found are: Blazefine(also Trinity College/Scarlatti) in East China, Yuewei(seems they use to made concertinas for Hohner) in North China, and Firston in South China. All of these factories are located in traditional chromatic accordion producing area. The Music China Expo, an international musical instrument fair will hold in Shanghai in Oct as usual. I'll go and see if I can find something else about concertinas this year. By the way, it's maybe not well-know in the west, there is a accordion maker in Beijing invented his own-styled concertina called "WF System," which is depends on the 20 keys CG instrument with a original C-row generally and rearranged the G-row to the sharp and flat notes to the C-row notes. I'd like to call it a "Sino Concertina." In the attached image, chart on the top represents the right hand side, and below is the left hand side.
  19. Thank you for advising. I've practiced on this bastari for months and had a lot of fun. It's a fabulous instrument to me and I'm surely not going to abandon it! Btw, switch to a better Anglo is on my to-do list already......
  20. Thank you! It's quite a shock to have any appreciations here for a bilibili posting. Gary the nice guy send me partial of his book with the Moon and the note chart to me by email very soon after this posting.
  21. What I used to play is bayan which is chromatic. As many Chinese do, I never knew there are diatonic or bisonoric squeezeboxes. Maybe many people have seen concertinas in European and American film or tv dramas and know there are instruments like those, but that's it. And actually, except harmonicas, diatonic western instrument are already very uncommon in China. However, it seems that there are few people can play garmons in the border areas with Russia or the countries of the former USSR.
  22. I guess what Juris meant was chromatic English Concertinas which more completed with sharp and flat notes, so they may have a better compatibility to play more moded scales.
  23. Hi Juris, I just figured a little bit about the English layout, I think it’s a less challenging and maybe the Anglo can make more fun! But sure someday I’ll get an English and try. Thank you for your suggestion.
  24. It seems that my concerns are unnecessary! thank you for your reply. But here is a problem I forgot to mention above: maybe because the size of 40 keys is too large, which causes the outcome is somewhat “obcuse” when play some brief notes. I don’t know if this problem is related to the reason I mentioned, maybe this is a difference in reed type, or maybe it’s just a quality problem? After check the pinned top topic “current make” in this forum, I assume the Bastari has no essential difference to a “cheap Chinese” even though it’s couple times higher on price, and maybe that’s the reason. And also, could you please let me know which one of your book includes the “Moon” tune? That would be the best starter because that was one of the very first tunes I can play on an accordion decades ago. Thanks a lot!
  25. Here’s greeting from China. Not surprisingly, any kind of Concertina is very niche in China. Although this country produces many models that are common on the market, very few people play it there. But bandoneon is an exception, because of the influence of tango music, bandoneon has a certain popularity. But due to the generally high prices, bandoneonist is actually very rare in China. But in Japan, Concertina has a large number of fans, which made me feel a little puzzled at first. I guess it might be because Concertina was widely popular in the world when China was in a period of revolution and war, so this musical instrument failed to enter China. At the same time, Japan was actively accepting new things in Europe, so Concertina has retained a certain degree of popularity in Japan to this day. However, due to the influence of the Soviet Union after the war, the accordion (bayan) was actually very popular in China until today. Recent days my friend bought a Bastari 40 keys Anglo from Japan(Taniguchi Gakki, recommended store by Toru Kato)for me as a gift and I’m struggling on it. It seems that it is impossible to find a teacher to learn, because there is no or it is difficult to find someone who can play this instrument in this country. What I’m thinking is maybe I should buy a 30 keys model first to practice and then try to shift to 40 keys later, since almost all the tune-books that I can find are written regard 30 keys. And here’s a discovery. Hohner is like the 1st famous foreign accordion brand in China and I thought they also have good concertinas. But when I browse a website of a Chinese instrument factory, Yuewei or Rowell of Tientsin(http://www.yueweimusic.com/list/1/385/), I found almost all the hohner model are actually re-labeled from their concertinas. Of course, like a common sense, Chinese Concertinas do not give the performers a good experience of play, but they are indeed, very cheap. This really confuses me. If you guys have any suggestions for my situation, that would be great.
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