Pete Fitzgerald Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Hello, I'm a new player looking to upgrade my instrument (a Rochelle 2), and would be particularly interested in a second hand c/g Clover (or similar). Please PM me with the details if you have one available. Thanks! Edited February 17 by Pete Fitzgerald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulDa321 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I saw this one (a Clare), which is pretty similar. Just a bit out of my price range. https://reverb.com/item/76966998-c-g-anglo-jeffries-layout-concertina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fitzgerald Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) Thanks Paul! The ICC "Clare" is indeed another instrument I am considering, but was hoping that a used Concertina Connection "Clover" might be coming up for sale in the not too distant future. I assume they are roughly comparable, unless someone who has experience with both instruments has other thoughts, but have yet to try either myself as yet .... Edited February 18 by Pete Fitzgerald 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) Hello Peter, I once got The Clare and the Clover (not at the same time) so maybe I can help...from memory ! It is all very personal so maybe it will help, maybe not. Once owned the Clare and the Morse Ceili at the same time and had to choose one...it was a though choice. I did prefer the sound of the Clare but the Morse was much louder and bigger (large hand) and faster player (not me ;-)). Finally kept the Morse because of the louder sound that filled the room and also very light and faster. But then I sold it because the tone wasn't my taste; I did regret a bit the Clare. Anyway, this is to say I really enjoyed the Clare. I also really liked the Clover but sold it because the air button was kind of hard to reach...not sure why ! Maybe a bit misplaced or maybe because the hand strap was very thick (I think this is the reason). The Clover and the Clare are quite different...Here is a quick comparison (from what I remember 😉) : * The Clare : - Smaller than the Clover. I have big hand and it didn't bother at all. - Sound doesn't project as much as the Clover. It is kind of loud but not sure how to explain, it doesn't feel like it fills the room. - Tone is kind of sweeter, I want to say closer to a real concertina (meaning not a hybrid). * Clover : - Sound is Crisper than the Clare, louder, bigger size. It also has a nice tone but different, brighter. If you need to be heard (session...), I would choose the Clover. In a more intimate setting, I would choose the Clare (but still loud 😉 If I had to choose today between one of them, I would choose the Clare because I liked the sound and air button was easy to reach (for me). Both seems of very good quality. Don’t know your background and goal, both are a good choice but will probably not be your last concertina ! But a huge step up from the Rochelle 😉 Nicolas Edited February 19 by papawemba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulDa321 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Hey Pete—I’m hijacking your post a little here, but papawemba piqued my curiosity. Papawemba, have you played a Phoenix and do you know how those 3 models you mentioned compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Fitzgerald Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Nicholas and Paul, I believe you've identified some of the most commonly cited "intermediate" hybrids being produced today. It's always interesting to hear folks' experiences with these instruments. Part of my focus on the Clover is the relative lack of comments/feedback about the Clare, so any and all info is appreciated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Hi PaulDa321, no sorry never tried the Phoenix...It was on my "eventually wanted" list...but then gave up just because it felt strange to play Irish with a concertina made in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Also heard good thing about the Marcus ! And one is for sale at Barleycorn 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulDa321 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I talked to Chris Algar about the Marcus the other day and he won’t ship it to the US since it’s on consignment. Seems to apply to you too Peter (hello from VT!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papawemba Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 minutes ago, PaulDa321 said: I talked to Chris Algar about the Marcus the other day and he won’t ship it to the US since it’s on consignment. Seems to apply to you too Peter (hello from VT!). This is probably because of the return policy...But maybe he will accept if you make it sure you won't send it back... But Chris is a man of value so not sure it will work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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