wes williams
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And guess who bought the beast 😁. It'll be a bit too big for standing up playing after my usual 46 Maccann and Jeffries and Lachenal Anglos 😆.
So c'mon all you folks who want a Maccann, the 56 is a very good starter that you can do a lot on! -
10 hours ago, Dirge said:
Duet Recordings Page Alan? Wossat? But probably! And thank you Ken and to you.
Later: Just worked it out, Al. Corse you can!
Look what you've missed in your absence: http://www.concertinas.org.uk/DuetAudio.htm
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12 hours ago, 4to5to6 said:
Please see attached photos… Is this 15769 or perhaps 55769? It is an early Lachenal treble that was modified with carved bone ends. It would be nice to know the serial and date. There are no other serial numbers except these two in the reed pans.
My guesses on what the number might read are the same as yours. But since you say its an early treble 15769 would be c.1870, while 55769 would be c.1915. Anybody else have a guess?
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On 4/19/2024 at 11:04 PM, Takayuki YAGI said:
Can I have an approximate year of #185877?
It is 22-key C/G anglo with steel reeds, 5-fold bellows, mahogany ends.
Thank you in advance,
Takayuki
Takayuki - That one is circa 1911.
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The ICA are posting a sticker to all members - "We thought it worth while sending all members a sticker for their concertina box as it would be a permanent advert for the Association as well as giving the website details and the relatively new notification of World Concertina Day in the expectation that it will be noticed by non members and act as a recruiting sergeant."
But yesterday I got an email from one of the committee members saying "Your original design for the ICA sticker was brilliant and has stood the test of time." I replied that I couldn't remember ever doing this design and it would have been beyond my abilities back around 2000/2001 when I first joined.
Luckily I found the answer within ten minutes of browsing the ICA Archive. The logo first appears in Concertina World No. 393 Sept/Oct 1993 with this text:
NEW LOGO
How d'ya like the new logo then (see below)? I'm very pleased with it and want to give a big thank you to Michael Munday for all his hard work. (You can see an example of his work every week in the Radio Times "My T.V. Dinner" feature.) I now have T- shirts available with the new logo on. Yours for not-a-lot. (See separate ad.)
So the designer was Michael Munday who is based at Lewes, Sussex. The Concertina World Editor at this date was Charlotte Oliver, who lived in Brighton, Sussex which is a 30 minute car journey away or 12 minutes by train. So perhaps they came into contact back then.
So I'd like to dispell any rumours that I might have been responsible for the logo! And many thanks to Michael for his brilliant design.
But what if you have more than one instrument? Anglo players often carry a couple of boxes in different keys to events. Will extra stickers be available to purchase?
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Any anglo in the 184xxx range fits into c.1910 in our estimates.
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Geoff has posted an updated dating document in this thread (6 Jan 2024). Took me a while to find it again!
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Geoff Crabb has posted dating info fairly recently (Jan 2024), see near the end of the thread here . Check it, but it seems to be 1966.
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23 hours ago, Stephen Chambers said:
Oh, there's nothing new about this complexity, it's come out quite often, over the years, and I've trotted out my 1936 catalogue page of the six pitches that tuning forks were being made in at that time. The last time I did so was only one month ago, on 14th March
And on the same day on the same thread, I provided a link to a page I put up on this site 23 years ago 🧐 -
https://web.archive.org/web/20110514131052/www.concertina.net/ww_pitch.html
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We estimate 17037 as circa 1871
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2 hours ago, Peter Laban said:
' I tried to attach files as usual in pdf, midi, musicxml, and xml formats, but this time the site says I have apparently used ALL my allotted attachment allowance.'
It makes sense to put these on another site, Dropbox, box.com and places like that, and insert a to link them. Same as for inserting video or images.
If you are trying to link to external files its worth remembering that you need them to be on a secure site (starting https:). So I can't link to anything on my website since its only http: which is understandable for the security for this site.
I've used dropbox reliably for many years, and you get 2GB of storage for free. When you get the link for your file from dropbox it will end dl=0 which means dropbox will try to display it , but if you change the address ending to dl=1 it will enable it to be downloadable.
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We usually refer to these as 'Aeolas', but this was used in earlier ledgers for a six sided version based on Model No.6 (48 key) or Model No.8 (56 key) first appearing in September 1889 . The later Aeolas were octagonal, so thats why they are described as 'Octo' in later ledgers.
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Go ahead and claim Duty Exemption, Matt. We estimate #42129 as circa 1904.
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Thanks Rod,
We've only just added Kurt's recordings to the Duet Page. Although I didn't know him personally, his prescence on the forums for many years was always of the highest standard.
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1 hour ago, Paula said:
Thanks Wes. You’re really tops. Can I venmo you the price of a beer as thanks?
Thanks, but not necessary - ancients like Stephen and I (and many others) are always happy to help if we can.
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English 59463 is estimated as circa 1923.
English 59802 is estimated as circa 1926.
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Apologies if this programme has already been mentioned, but I couldn't find it in a forum search.
RTE Raidio na Gaeltachta has a lot of videos on youtube featuring many Irish musicians, each programme lasting around an hour and a half. You'll find the full list by searching youtube for 'Cuan an Cheoil ' but here are a few that feature concertina:
Edel Fox & Caoimhín Ó Fearghail
Saileog & Eoghan Ó Ceannabháin
Caitlín & Antóin Mac Gabhann
I'm still digging through!
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Paula -
You'll find that at https://web.archive.org/web/20110514131052/www.concertina.net/ww_pitch.html. Many 'missing' things from lots of sites can be found using the Wayback machine at archive.org.
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Paula,
Our best guess is circa 1891
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There's a lot in the Galpin article I linked about expanding the SA workshop circa 1895. Perhaps these SA labels were added there, and the Lachenal oval holes enlarged, not a major modification?
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That one seems to be about the same date as the others - 154398 is estimated as circa 1897.
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15 hours ago, JimR said:
Could it be 15202?
Could be, Jim. But a number that low would set it firmly in the Louis Lachenal period, and by the looks of the photo it seems more modern.
14 hours ago, chris rowe said:Lachenal 32 key (2 bird calls) anglo, rosewood fine fret S/no 111199
11 hours ago, chris rowe said:48 key Tutor S/no 20594
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32 key (2 bird calls) anglo S/no 111199 estimated as circa 1890.
48 key Tutor S/no 20594 estimated as circa 1876.
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Yes, thats the serial, but unfortunately I can't read it from your photo. At a guess its 172xxx which would be circa 1902. Anybody else have any idea?
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And here is a picture of 38694. The full description can be viewed here.
On 2/14/2024 at 1:48 AM, Matthew Heumann said:By "known dates", I was of course referring to instruments with enough provenance that gives us a fairly accurate year "window" which is not as good as a receipt, but much better than formulas and algorithms. The article I quoted refers to the year the instrument was a acquired by one famous player in a known year and that it was previously owned by his teacher the year before. If you can get within 3-4 years of any accurate Lachenal date without a receipt, that's close enough for most of us. Formulas are not very accurate.
You should have said 'The article I quoted refers to the year AN instrument was acquired by one famous player ...' and this would have been one of the earliest aluminium reed plate Edeos, but not this 38694 one . As I indicated in an earlier post, instruments of an 1894/5 date would be expected to have a serial around the 32000 mark from receipts, which makes 38694 to be estimated as 1889/1900.
While you are welcome to your own opinions on our estimates, the author of your 2005 quote (Stephen Chambers) now uses these estimates as the best currently available, and has been part of the group of researchers and restorers working towards these estimates over many years. If you'd care to dive into the JSON data on 38694, you'll find that Steve Dickinson (owner of Wheatstone) came up with a similar date in a 2013 assessment:
'Probably dates from around 1900. Aluminium reed frames corroded, the high carbon steel reeds are age hardened and work hardened. Bellows fine. Not suitable as a playing instrument.'
Lachenal 56key Maccan Duet in good order. RHS goes down to middle C
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Dirge has dropped his original price by a couple of hundred, so be quick!