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  1. Here's the demo of all reeds as requested (and I've added it to the original post too): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LaDzkgZZU
  2. Update: it took more figuring out than I anticipated to identify the right reed in the block, but I gently sproinged it a couple times and whatever little bit of dust was block it came free, and we're back in business.
  3. Sure, give me a couple days to find the right time and place to demonstrate it. And note as said it'll need new leather straps (really easy to do, no major skills required), which is why I'm selling it this cheap. Definitely a better deal than $200 for a China-made Hohner or Bonetti. I'll post in this thread and message you when I have the video up.
  4. Is the Jones 26b refurbished by a reputable maker, or is it just in original condition? If you have the chance to buy a refurbished antique for the same cost as a new modern hybrid, I think most people would encourage you to take the refurbished antique. I had a 20b Jones from the 1870s, and it was still quite affordable but played great. A new entry-level or even mid-level concertina will be made with modern accordion "hybrid" reeds, but a refurbished antique will have "True" concertina reeds.
  5. I finally fixed my button-wrangling technique and got the Frontalini back together... and promptly found out that one single reed isn't sounding at all. The reeds visually looked fine, I didn't see any damage when I opened the box. Is it likely the reed just has a bit of dust or something? When I draw and push the button, I don't get any feel that air is flowing at all, so it's not a missing or broken reed, it's a reed "frozen" in place somehow. How do I "unfreeze" one reed while not damaging it or the valve? Do I understand right that a "draw" reed would be one with the valve away from me as I look at the reeds from the bellows-side of the box?
  6. (Posted included the beginner options as tags, but didn't include them in the title; they mean the following:) beginner anglo swan stagi m5 jones 26 Swan Stagi M5 Jones 26
  7. I finally figured out that I just wasn't being assertive enough at jimmying buttons into place. I was too much trying to slide missing ones into place, as oppose to depress them further and let them swing back into position and then monkey around with them. It turns out that the long tweezers with a slight crook out of my shaving bag were the optimal tool for this, and I got it right after just a couple minutes of experimenting when I'd spent easily a cumulative 20 minutes prior to this messing with it. I got all the buttons back in place... and then promptly found that one reed isn't speaking and I need to take it back off again. Do we have a preferred thread here that explains how to unstick reads that I should read before proceeding?
  8. THIS CONCERTINA HAS BEEN SOLD I bought this Riccordi (re-brand of Stagi) as-is, and gave it a thorough cleaning, but rather than re-sleeve the buttons myself, I'm offering it for sale uber-cheap to anyone needing an affordable starter. The case and part of the bellows had some mildew when I bought it, but I've carefully cleaned it with alcohol and vinegar and it's pretty clean now. The case is kinda beater and I removed the paper inside to clean it, but that's easily replaced with generic shelf-paper. It's overall well in tune, bellows have great compression and are the older-style Stagi bellows that are surprisingly good quality. The leather straps are in decent shape and adjustable. Despite the humidity damage to the case, I can find no trace of humidity harm on the reeds or any metal or leather parts, all good. This box does need a little low-skill work though, since this is of the common Italian design where the keys are held in place with rubber grommets, and they've dried out and cracked. The buyer will need to put in some low-skill time (a couple hours) to slice silicone tubing to make new grommets, and I have replacement silicone of the right diameter coming in the mail and will include it for free. I could do it myself, but I'm nomadic right now and all my useful gear for this (Xacto knives, cuticle scissors) are in storage. I emphasize this doesn't require concertina-specific skills, just really basic handyman stuff and a few hours of time. If I did it I'd have to increase the cost of the box, but I'd rather just give someone a good deal. Here's a thread with detailed internal photos and discussion of the model: I'm asking $99 plus actual shipping cost from Philadelphia to you, so here's a chance to get a starter box for Irish or folksinging at a quarter of what a new Concertina Connection box would run you
  9. Oh, I'm already doing this upside-down. Laying down on the couch with the keys dangling downward roughly straight. Does nobody else find this difficult, just me?
  10. I have a 20b Frontalini that I just took apart to inspect and take photos. And now I'm facing my least-favorite part of the process: getting all 10 buttons to go back into all 10 holes. Anyone got any tip to make this less a pain? My record right now is getting 9 to line up perfectly but just can't get the 10th. I'm trying this laying down on the couch to make it easier on my neck as I try 20 times in a row, and I'm using the eraser end of a pencil to try to nudge recalcitrant buttons into place, but still not quite doing it. Is there an easy way, or do even experts have to try a couple dozen times until you nail it perfectly?
  11. I am not an Anglo guy, though I play Duet and I also have a little experience with diatonic melodeons, so on the average I sorta understand the Anglo a smidge. I'm looking forward to getting this up and running now, since so far it feels nicer than I expected it to be, though it's a little hard to tell until I get these grommets replaced. Got two different diameters of Du-Bro blue silicone tubing arriving any day now, so can take a whack at it with some razor blades and trim the little bits down to suit.
  12. Got it, thanks! What are the cues that I should watch for to positively identify a Stagi? Is it notably of worse quality than other Stagis, or is just least-expensive because the stamped metal ends require less labor? Or are bellows, reeds, etc. of cheaper quality?
  13. I picked up this instrument used, and it was listed as "some buttons stick." Exactly as I expected, as soon as I picked it up I heard the tell-tale rattle of bits of decayed rubber grommet linkage shifting around in the box. Opened it up and it's all crusty dried-out rubber, and I've got two different diameters of silicone tubing coming in the mail to try out on it. I got a partial refund from the seller because the item in its case arrived with some smell of mildew. I'm not seeing any signs of corrosion on any of the metal, and no leather rot on straps or valves, so it seems the case did its job and took the brunt of the hit (all exposed metal on the case is heavily corroded). So I tore out the "shelf paper" in the case as a lost cause, cleaned it up with bathroom scrubber and am leaving it in a window-sill to sterilize. I can't do that with the box itself, but based on online advice about musty accordion bellows I'm going to carefully spritz the leather with a mix of vinegar and rubbing alcohol and wipe it right down. The box actually has really solid tone, I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes out, and I love the Art Deco-ish metal ends. This one I'll also put up for sale on this forum for someone wanting an Irish starter, and will price it competitively in comparison to a Rochelle or Wren and hold it for someone seriously short on cash. I'm not trying to make money flipping these, but I'll take a little profit when I can so I can subsidize other boxes for noobs, or make up for the one in ten that's just a write-off. Hope folks are finding these "dissections" of old Italian hybrids to be interesting!
  14. Ah, that's the one I was initially thinking of! I somehow kept thinking Norman (who does build mini-Englishes so partially answers my other question.) The Marcus Traveller is pretty cute though, 5" across (like a piccolo) but at full-size pitches, 21b with a standard 20b array but an added added C#/Eb so you can reach out into more keys. There's not anyone making mini/compact Haydens or other Duets in hybrid though, no? I was thinking about those because another poster on this sub is hunting for a 35b Crane. I know Alex Holden built a compact Hayden, his "Brun" model with true concertina reeds, but unless Tedrow or someone got quirky, I don't think there are many hybrid compact Duets. Which is a little odd because the Wheatstone Duett was just that.
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