Jake Middleton-Metcalfe
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surely you would want a morse ceili and a load of money to be traded for this? A morse is about £2000, if you traded your Willie van Wyk concertina for it you would be a few thousand out of pocket by the looks of things!
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ending tonight! 7:03 pm
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price drop £1000 to £950
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Hello concertina players
I am selling my c/g 30 button Anglo concertina, it has a stainless steel riveted action and 7 fold bellows (specified by me at extra cost.) It is a high quality metal ended accordion reeded instrument that was made for me in 2009. It was made by Anthony James. Here is his website http://www.apjmusic.co.uk/apj_30button_anglo.htm
Here are some pictures, I can upload more on request, for example if someone wanted to see the action.
Here is a video of me playing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOr4kACmNU and another of me playing once I got a bit better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyqEq-gy3k
I am asking £950 ONO
any questions welcome
If you want to visit me, to play it and test it out I live in bradford-on-avon (near bath) you can contact me on 07821470159 -
ah I just had a look at theo's list. He has a nice looking wheatstone model. Its just a couple of hundred above my price range though. I guess I would be looking at the model below that one.
If you're looking at a swap with another member though, prices could be more agreeable, so while I may have come across as depressing, don't aim too low either!
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ah I just had a look at theo's list. He has a nice looking wheatstone model. Its just a couple of hundred above my price range though. I guess I would be looking at the model below that one.
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Hello
I have played the melodeon for years and approached the anglo a couple of years ago as a means of getting a more portable and chromatic instrument, with a similar playing style. However having now tried my friends english more extensively I think I would be best off with an english concertina, I am also starting to explore more classical music and other genres than folk. The tina I offer is a 7 fold bellows metal ended C/G Ap James concertina, it has 'gold star' style lachenal bellows papers. This is a hybrid concertina. New they are £1200, I paid a bit extra for the papers and extra fold. I think this is nicer than selling it and buying an english because I could meet the person who I would be trading with and we could play each others instruments and have a good decide weather we both like the deal. I seek a standard english treble concertina of the same quality, I am not bothered weather it is hybrid or traditional. Going by the price guide on the barleycorn concertina website, something like a higher end lachenal or mid range wheatsone in concert pitch would be good but I am open to all your offers. Either way, something that is ready to play. I would also consider selling it, if someone wanted to buy it I would accept offers around £1100
Here is a link to the website of the maker, look at the one with metal ends, that is the same as my one but with 7 folds and lachenal bellow papers:
http://www.apjmusic....utton_anglo.htm
here is a video of me playing it:
at this time pictures of the actual thing cant be done, as it is at my dads house miles away! I will upload when i am able. Thanks for reading!
Not to damp your hopes too much. Barleycorn prices are now a fair bit higher than suggested. I recently traded my mid range Lach. in for one of his lowest priced Edeophones. The Lach. was Rosewood, 5 fold metal button in well used condition, and he reckoned that after a small amount of tightening up to remedy my many hard years of use, he'd be offering it at ~£1200.
New model Lach's varied a lot depending on spec, but I think that they started at at least £1500. Fancier Edeophones than mine were at least £2500 and going on £3000 for metal ended, 6 folds.
I wasn't really looking at the wheastones, I think you'll certainly be looking towards £2000 for a mid range wheatstone.
Have a look at Theo's current for sale list (and drool) for comparisons.
However these are commercial sales from dealers who have to cover costs, back up problems, and turn a profit
private sales prices are often more modest esp. in the risky world of ebay.
Alright, I didn't know that. I am not to up to date on prices as I havent been in the market for concertinas for some time. I suppose it would be good to look for something similar to your old lach. 5 fold metal buttons rosewood type thing. I have played them they are rather agreeable.
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Hello
I have played the melodeon for years and approached the anglo a couple of years ago as a means of getting a more portable and chromatic instrument, with a similar playing style. However having now tried my friends english more extensively I think I would be best off with an english concertina, I am also starting to explore more classical music and other genres than folk. The tina I offer is a 7 fold bellows metal ended C/G Ap James concertina, it has 'gold star' style lachenal bellows papers. This is a hybrid concertina. New they are £1200, I paid a bit extra for the papers and extra fold. I think this is nicer than selling it and buying an english because I could meet the person who I would be trading with and we could play each others instruments and have a good decide weather we both like the deal. I seek a standard english treble concertina of the same quality, I am not bothered weather it is hybrid or traditional. Going by the price guide on the barleycorn concertina website, something like a higher end lachenal or mid range wheatsone in concert pitch would be good but I am open to all your offers. Either way, something that is ready to play. I would also consider selling it, if someone wanted to buy it I would accept offers around £1100
Here is a link to the website of the maker, look at the one with metal ends, that is the same as my one but with 7 folds and lachenal bellow papers:
http://www.apjmusic.co.uk/apj_30button_anglo.htm
here is a video of me playing it:
at this time pictures of the actual thing cant be done, as it is at my dads house miles away! I will upload when i am able. Thanks for reading!
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I think this sounds like a very interesting project. I would second the suggestion to look at john bodens songs from the floodplain. I once saw the spires and boden duo in bristol and john sung a song from this album, i remember it being set in a dystopian future of earth. I liked it.
I did once imagine doing something similar, like writing a song based in a world where people ride giant fleas instead of cars or horses (imagine how far a flea this size of a horse would jump!?) but i never did it in the end
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Wally Carroll is already using a lot of this technology in his new concertinas. All the reedframes are cut by wire EDM and the reed tongues are cut by the same method. The wooden endframes are cut by CNC as are many of the wooden parts. Parts for the bellows are cut by laser and so on. So, at least at his shop, this technology is in full action with ful interchangability.
Ross Schlabach
its all very interesting. i dont mean to suggest that it would be cheaper to buy machines to make your own concertina, but if you had access to cnc and lazer cutting many parts of the concertina would be easy to produce, not all of the instrument as alan correctly says.
The thing that interests me about it is the idea of computer files that will hold the data required to cut say a metal end or wooden parts of a concertina could be shared online the same way music is. say for example you wanted to make a new action for a concertina and you could download the file that holds the digital model of the action levers and put it through a laser cutter. Some companies offer the service of laser cutting for a fee. Sort of like paying for printing.
At some point i might try to design new ends for my concertina and have them cut out by laser as i have access to these machines at university. i will post pictures on here if i do
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Hi there people, I haven't posted here in a while but I have just stumbled upon something that I feel is really quite important to the concertina making world and and indeed .... the whole world.
I had a very interesting lecture yesterday about 3d printing and cnc cutting and various computer aided design and cutting technologies such as laser cutting. For those unfamiliar with these methods basically these technologies allow you to create a 3d models on a computer and then a machine simply makes the object.
-CNC can cut wood incredibly precisely, here is a video:
this could make all the wooden parts of a concertina if you had the computer file-you could laser cut yourself metal ends if you had the computer file - also you could do the action mechanism
-most amazing of all is 3d printing. Here is a video of a flute someone printed on a 3d printer:
What has this to do with concertinas? Well there are many places that will make your 3d computer file a real object for a small fee. It would only take someone to put a concertina part file public and everyone could very cheaply and easily make most of a concertina by making the parts and then putting them together. The reeds and the bellows would be the only hard part I suppose probably having to be purchased. It would be like getting most of a concertina kit (the wooden and most of the metal parts) for very cheap. The thing is these technologies are becoming more and more available, indeed 3d printers are becoming a consumer product.
This could effect concertina makers in a similar way that file sharing on the internet has effected the selling of music. A lot. Its not just concertinas, indeed the toy industry must be scared stiff at the thought of a world where you can pretty much print out any shape, requiring files that could be shared on the interned like music is.. 3d printers becoming a household item will probably effect the economy worldwide. Imagine a world where instead of buying .... well most things, you instead downloaded a file and printed it. here is an example:
though these inventions effect many things I would like this thread to be about how they effect concertinas, the concertina market and makers.
Discuss
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Jake,
don't let people put you off, its not rocket science, have a go. Yes, it might not be as straightforward as "lower all of the reeds for a quieter faster effect" but there is a large amount of truth to that statement. If you do some research, perhaps go looking for a few old reeds to practise on, ask more questions just as you started doing, and look for encouraging people who know more than you do, you can do this. Try on melodeon.net as they have the same sort of reeds. An email to AP James would not be a bad move, he may be completely happy to talk about it. He might tell you his reed setting parameters and if yours will respond to this treatment.
If you had asked about traditional concertina reeds you might have obtained a more positive response here, many people here who can sort out their concertine first did it because they had to, now they know what they are doing. Few would be as familiar with the inside of hybrid concertinas because they are mostly fairly new and well built and have not yet developed the sort of issues which have you reaching for a screwdriver at inopportune times.
Just don't be in a hurry, do your research, practise and go for it. You can make a nice job of this and then put it back if you don't like it when you are finished. Did I say, just don't be in a hurry? Oh, and watch out for addiction, in no time you will be repairing and making them...
Chris
haha, cheers, I might send mr james an email and ask him a bit about it
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ok thanks for letting me know
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hello
I have a question about voicing concertinas. It is my understanding that a reed can be adjusted to sound quickly but not as loud by having the reed tip closer to the frame or the reed can be set higher and further away from the frame to make it loud but not quite as quick to respond.
I have an ap james concertina and recently played an instrument made by the same guy at a festival (it was on a stall at sidmouth folk festival) and it was quicker to speak but quieter. These are hybrid concertinas with accordion reeds. I am wondering If I could have the reeds set a bit lower to make it quiet and responsive as I dont really need it to be that loud.
Has anyone tried doing this themselves, and if so how did you find it?
jake
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Hi
Ok so at the moment a have a lot of time on my hands. Ive been learning amusing little tunes with lots of goofy little sharps and flats, tunes like the theme tune to red dwarf and monty python (liberty bell march) The concertina is an anglo in C and G
Im now trying to learn st bernards waltz - I have found a couple of versions - one in D and one in F. I would like to get one in c or g with chords. I dont really know that much about transposing the score I found in F and the one in D was from the session website and was not quite how I remember it going when I have danced to it in the past.
Could anyone point me in the right direction to find a suitable score?
jake x
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HI
Yeah it is a jig i changed the title. I don't know why i called it a hornpipe i think i heard someone call it that once and didn't think about it when i uploaded it. EMBARRASSING!
Anyway im glad folks like it - If you look on my morris side's facebook page you can see a video of us dancing to the tune here:
http://www.facebook.com/nonesuchmorris?ref=ts#!/nonesuchmorris?v=app_2392950137
Edit: if your not all to interested in hornpipes by this point
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Ive been trying lately to upload a video to youtube but with very little success. I finally got it to work now though so here is a video
more to come!
jake
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ok so basically ive uploaded before from this computer and its been fine. the problem is this:
the video uploads but is 1 minuet 42 seconds long instead of its actual length 2:39 as a result of this the audio is cut off half way through as the video ends and the video itself is sped up to fit the shortened time frame, here is the best I have managed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1SRANFI5w
as you can see it is completely out of sync and cuts off halfway through. I have been at this for about an hour trying the basic uploaded the advanced uploader and the normal one and im not getting anywhere.
can anyone offer me advice? jake
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I havent ever seen anyone post about this maker before, here is his website: http://www.apjmusic.co.uk/
I've just received my apj concertina after the 6 month wait. Ant used to work for andrew norman and also made quite a few of the hobgoblin "sherwood" concertinas. I originally wanted one of those but hobgoblin said that the waiting list was like 2 years so after some more research I found this, and I'm very pleased with it. Ive not seen anything on the net about these instruments so I just thought would say they are pretty decent, like the sherwood but apparently better and with a shorter wait
Anthony was very easy to talk to and was quite happy to make me an instrument to my exact specifications: 7 folds, metal ends, Lachenal bellows papers and hand bars that are precisely 27 millimetres high (very important to me!)
here is a video of me playing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfVRw_kNXzc
the tune is from one of my morris sides, nonesuch morris and is called the Kennington hornpipe, its taking a bit of getting used to as im more used to a melodeon but its getting there
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thanks all for your replies, dave actually turned out to be the guy who i had met in the session. Thanks for the contact details
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Hi, Im based in bristol, uk
I was wondering of anyone on this forum is also in bristol? I know theres one concertina player who ive seen at sessions occaisionally but havent met in a while and cant remember the mans name!
There are loads of sessions in bristol, sporting heaps of fiddles and tonnes of melodeons. Only ever seen one other concertina.
If there are any other tina players about in bristol it would be nice to get in touch
jake
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This is brilliant, the price you pay for the kit is excellent for what you seem to get out of it at the end, makes me wonder if I should have gone for that instead of my hybrid.
I would imageon people dont have to bother with a waiting list when you buy a kit? Is this so? If so that would be a big plus for a lot of people.
well done sir!
The kit is a hybrid isn't it? It has accordion reeds?
yeah the clovers a hybrid, I just ment its cheaper than the hybrid I went for
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This is brilliant, the price you pay for the kit is excellent for what you seem to get out of it at the end, makes me wonder if I should have gone for that instead of my hybrid.
I would imageon people dont have to bother with a waiting list when you buy a kit? Is this so? If so that would be a big plus for a lot of people.
well done sir!
Building An "eco" Concertina
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this is a cool project. Its nice to see people thinking outside the squeeze box when making these things. BTW where on earth did you get the threaded inserts? they are like so hard to get hold of at the right size.
post a vid of it playing!