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Hello.
I've just bought
A 144 bandoneon
From a friend but cannot
Seem to find a layout for
It online. I don't suppose
anyone has one? thanks
Oh and someone messsged
Me a while ago about taking
their spot on a concertina
waiting list. No thanks matey
Turns out my job are thinking
of removing our Christmas
bonus.
I'd messsge you directly but im
using my phone and can't figure
Out how to do it.
Thanks guys.
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Hi I’m currently looking to buy a 40 button Anglo and don’t want to spend thousands and thousands like I see on some of the shops such as 1 I saw going for 5000+. I don’t. Suppose anyone has one they would like to sell I’m not looking for nothing super duper top of the lin just something with 40 buttons is reliable and good condition thanks guys.
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Hello. Got a quick question I'm buying from someone in South Africa I'm in the UK. does anyone know how much it would cost to get here. I know that no one can tell me exactly but what I'm asking when it comes to the taxes part of it how much are we talking hundreds? Sry might seem like a silly question but I never ordered anything from a different country before.
Thanks
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On 10/5/2018 at 5:28 PM, Jake Middleton-Metcalfe said:
I have a small theory on this initial question - I think a lot of people find the Anglo easier to hold.
Not everyone of course.
I've never played a English. Are they difficult to Hold? It looks like you have to grip it with your little finger.
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Personally I prefer (although I don't own a English) the anglo because of the layout as well as this I play piano accordion and am looking for something bisonoric which I can play the same songs on eg katyush. (I'm talking about a 40 button anglo) that being said the English does look like a nice instrument and will one day buy one.
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Just now, accordian said:
Ah right I probably didn't explain myself very well. I'm looking into playing with accompaniment on left hand like toru Kato on YouTube. I understand that to get the next note just change direction but I'm personally looking for notes which on a 30 button would be in both directions and so impossible. A 40 button allows you to play the same as a 30 button but it can do extra stuff.
It's nice to have the extra bits even if you dont use them much. More stuff to play
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Ah right I probably didn't explain myself very well. I'm looking into playing with accompaniment on left hand like toru Kato on YouTube. I understand that to get the next note just change direction but I'm personally looking for notes which on a 30 button would be in both directions and so impossible. A 40 button allows you to play the same as a 30 button but it can do extra stuff.
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How comes 40 buttons aren't made as much compared to a 30 or 40 Button? I know duets are available but that being said the bisonoric "feature" makes it interesting. You can play most notes in both directions but the one you can't you have to go in the other direction and so it can still stay bisonoric.
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After talking with Gary in a previous post I will
Be buying a 40 button concertina. Unfortunately
I get paid next month. Really looking forward to it.
Just got to hope no else decides to buy before I do.
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On 10/15/2018 at 12:47 AM, gcoover said:
sry have been busy and only just saw this.
thanks gary!
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hello I was thinking about it the other day and
was thinking about how these instruments are just
disapearing; there are still makers about but they arent
available like accordions where you just go up to a shop
and buy one brand new unless an accordion shop just
happens to have one. anyway I was thinking about this
and thought "I could learn how to make these instruments
to keep them going". is there anyone here that would know anything about making one?
thanks!
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hello. im trying to learn all for me grog but cannot figure out how to accompany it.
ive got a 30 button anglo but cant figure out what he is doing. i can get the melody
on its own but both melody and chords / accompaniment is difficult.
could someone please send me if you have it of course some sheet music for it.
I know that gary coover has a book with pirate songs but to be honest it's just this one
song out the book I like and no point me buying the whole book for one song (no offence Gary.
you got some great books got the accompaniment book) but yeah can anyone give me a hand.
oh and as for the 40 button concertina im buying I actually found someone selling local to me
which was surprising.
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2 hours ago, gcoover said:
Yes, if you're wanting to play in all those wonderfully difficult keys like Cm, Fm, Eb, Ab, etc. you'll definitely need more options and alternates than you'll find on a 30-button.
Otherwise you'll find yourself having to do lots of adapting and leaving notes out because they won't all be in the same direction at the same time when you need them.
With a 40-button you pretty much have every note in every direction, I've heard it referred to as a "poor man's duet" - but there's nothing poor about a nice big 40-button Anglo!
Gary
ah right. thanks! oh and dont suppose you know any concertina makers?
still about today?
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hi guys
im currently playing a 30 button anglo and
would like to play such songs with accompaniment
such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxn8n5Shu4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccJ3DcCFAtw etc.
is this only possible on a 40 button concertina?
as at the moment I love playing my 30 button
but other than say 3 songs there's not alot else I really
want to play. as well as this I play accordion and would
love to be able to play the same stuff but with a bisonoric
instrument. it keeps it interesting. if only possible on a 40 button
where am i likely to find one or would the easiest method be to
modify my 30 button
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ah I see thanks for the tip.
I just tried "working on the railroad" and
it works pretty well. i gotta try to figure out
how to play a f major chord along with
the last note on the bottom row so I dont have
to stop chords but never the less it works
pretty well.
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I keep hearing how versatile the anglo 30 button is and i'm looking for songs
you can accompany. with the problem of chords in one direction i'm having
trouble finding this versatility everyone talks of.
could you please give me some songs that
you can play with accompaniment.
I recently found "what shall we do with a drunken
sailor" and that was pretty fun to play
cheers. oh and I bought garry coovers book
about songs with accompaniment thanks
for the suggestion
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18 hours ago, Mjolnir said:
If you're just doing melody lines, most anything will work on anglo - it's got a pretty wide range. I've yet to encounter a fiddle tune that wouldn't be possible on the concertina, even if I have to get a bit creative with the fingering sometimes.
Now chords of course will make things trickier, as you're limited in what notes you can actually play simultaneously - no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to play a C# at the same time as an F. But if you're willing to be creative, you can still manage quite a lot. Maybe you can't play a particular minor chord, but you can play it as an open chord, and that might be good enough. Or maybe you drop the chord briefly while you reverse the bellows to get the note you need for the melody. Or maybe you can get really creative, and throw in a new chord that wasn't there in the original score, but still sounds good. Or if all else fails, transpose the whole piece to a new key, and the chords might become easier.
well here's the thing some of the songs I'd like to play on anglo are songs like katyusha in dminor and other stuff and so I look into it and immediately start having trouble with it. the melody as you said is easy to figure out but trying to figure out accompaniment is really confusing.
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im starting 30 button anglo concertina and i dont know where to start.
I haven't bought any books or anything like that. as well as this I get
that this instrument is bisonoric. that being said how do I know
what will work on concertina? is there some sort of rule I an use
to go "ha this will work" on concertina?
although I bought it for irish reels i'd like to understand what else
I can do in terms of things with chords eg. oh susanna.
thanks!
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as said looking for another instrument
with bellows and bandoneon is looking
pretty cool. as you know I play accordion
and I would like to know if this instrument
can be played like and accordion in terms of
all chords both opening and closing as I know
that there are a 5 octave range but does this mean
that I can get all chords but because of the range
some chords may be in a higher octave when opening
compared to closing etc.
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For playing in the harmonic style (chords, accompaniments) I suggest you check out John Kirkpatrick, John Watcham, Andy Turner, Brian Peters, Jody Kruskal, Bertram Levy, etc. - they are so much better than my mediocre attempts!
Also, your chord chart is missing a lot of notes - it's the buttons on the far left side of the left hand side where you'll get the Oom for the Pah when you want to play in that style. You can play single note, octaves, thirds, harmonies - lots of different ways to make the noise you want.
Yes, the concertina is a completely different critter than an accordion, but still with the same concept of "push a button, get a note", except the Anglo gives you two-for-one at the expense of a certain amount of logic which later actually becomes quite logical and quite handy for certain kinds of music.
Attached are some basic left hand oom-pah chords for 30-button Anglo.
Gary
not really sure what i'm looking
at to be honest
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If you want a good idea of what the 30 button Anglo is good at, go on Youtube and search for a channel called "Angloconc". I do not know who the player is, but he plays a range of styles, mainly with harmonic accompaniment.
little bit difficult as there is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQYvevA7Lw
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxn8n5Shu4M
compared to the usual. in terms of not being able to
play a chord I have no problem as long as I can acompany
the song so it doesn't sound like this compared
to the other version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJo9nRwFOg
(nothing wrong with this cover just I like to add acomanyment
of some sort)
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Can I do everything on a motorbike that I can do in a car? Yes and no. The bike will do the same distances, be faster in town, and it won't take up as much room in your garage, but it won't carry the same number of passengers and it's uncomfortable when it rains. They are different things.
A piano accordion is one of the most versatile instruments, fully chromatic on both ends, allowing you to play chords of up to 5 notes on the treble side in any inversion, with a compass of several octaves, and with a wide range of bass notes and pre-made chords on the left. There is not much that is impossible on a piano accordion.
No concertina can match that.
However, you can't play any chords at all on a flute or violin, but that doesn't make them rubbish.
The 30 button Anglo has become a popular instrument for Irish Traditional Music because of what it can do, not because of what it can't do. A good player can play jigs, reels, slip jigs, waltzes, marches, hornpipes etc. as melodies in several keys, with an accompaniment that may sometimes be sparse, but which lifts the music.
The 30 button Anglo has become a popular instrument for English folk music. A good player can play jigs, reels, etc. in a limited range of keys with quite an elaborate accompaniment of bass notes, chords, arpeggios, counter melodies, etc.
Any concertina can provide a satisfactory and versatile chordal accompaniment to a song, although with an Anglo, you need to choose the right keys.
Oom pah is the starting point for accompaniment on an Anglo, not the end goal. The more you develop, the less you play a simple oom pah.
You can do a lot on a 20 button Anglo , a heck of a lot on a 30 button, and lots and lots on a 38 or 40 button. But it's not an accordion.
The English concertina offers a different set of abilities and limitations. It is a fantastic instrument, but it is not an accordion.
The various duet systems offer a capability more similar to an accordion, but they are not accordions.
The concertina is a fantastic instrument in its own right. Each system offers different levels of versatility and the inherent imitations lend it character. It is challenging and rewarding to play. Approaching it as a substitute for something else is not fair to the instrument or to your self.
it's not so much a substitute but as said I
like the way it's played can a 30 button
concertina's be played the same way
as in the vids? as well as this what
is possible on a 30 button Anglo?
as said i'm not really for traditional
music things such as popeye and
starwars and katyusha come to
mind etc.
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the way that it is played to me the way that everything is in the shape of your hand is good. I like that you can play popeye lol but really in terms of irish music and older songs im not really for it. how versatile is the instrument and what can it be used to play ive seen these vids but they are 40 button anglo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxn8n5Shu4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEwfF68UUVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccJ3DcCFAtw&t=110s
iv'e seen chord charts like this but not sure if they are correct in terms of a oompah pattern
is it possibe to do a CM while pulling etc. I play accordion and am thinking of buying one and the chords in both direction is important.
i'm looking at buying a 30 button anglo and I know that there are duets and english but the way that it's played and the layout is quite intresting
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its a low end instrument but many of us started out on similar and from there get the bug and get much better instruments.
well if it works then it's definatley a step up
to not owning one lol i just wish you buy used concertinas
with all the bells and whistles for a similar price
to an used accordion. so far it seems the price is 170£
and then 450 - 500+
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