Spaniard_Johnny

Thanks, Fernando. Nice to met another Spaniard here. If I have enough free time I hope to contribute here with more music. Juanma

Hello Mark I think that the problem is that is difficult for me to mark clearly that rythm in the harmony of the melody, is easier to do it with my tabor. I've written the tune in abc, also is my little contribution to this great forum and website... Interesting. I also had trouble hearing the video in 5/8, and now that I've heard my computer play the tune from the abc it still sounds like 3/4. This means, of course, that Juanma is playing it just fine and we have trouble hearing the unusual rhythm. I play pieces in 5/8 and other additive rhythms all the time. They are quite common in the Balkans and southeastern Europe as far as Armenia. I also play a charrada and I even sing some English songs(and at least one American one)in 5/4. I have no trouble hearing the rhythm. Check out for a tune in 5/16 on concertina. I would believe that an abc converter has trouble with an additive rhythm. I don't know how the converter works, but as written, there is no indication of the meter being other than triple except for the M: 5/8 notation. I think somehow there has to be a distinction in the uneven lengths of the individual notes which does not appear in abc. I like a lot your 5/16 tune... very beautiful. In the first minutes of this video you can see me playing a 5/8 tune with a vulture wing bone pipe and my tabor. We are playing during a traditional party outside the wine caves in a village in Castile. Also you can hear the dulzainas (folk shawms). The salterio is played together with our tabor pipe, the strings are tuned by pairs and are beaten with the stick. In the middle ages was known as the "chorus". In example, if I play a G pipe, the strings are tuned CGCGCG. Here you can see a video: Juanma

About West Spain traditional tunes for pipe and tabor I invite you to my website, www.tamborileros.com You'll find there about 250 midi files and explanations about the traditional rhythms that are commonly used. Juanma

Hello Mark I think that the problem is that is difficult for me to mark clearly that rythm in the harmony of the melody, is easier to do it with my tabor. I've written the tune in abc, also is my little contribution to this great forum and website. X:1 T:El buey R:Charrada C:Tradicional A:Zamora O:Spain M:5/8 L:1/8 Q:1/4=180 K:Dm | z2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | fd2d2 | d2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | f3 f2 | f2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | fd2d2 | a3 a2 | g3 e2 | f3 e2 | d4 z1 | |:d3 a2 | a3 a2 | g3 g2 | a f4 | d3 f2 | e3 g2 | f3 e2 | f d4 :| d3 f2 | a2aa2 | g2gg2 | a2ff2 | d3 f2 | a2aa2 | g2gg2 | a5 | d3 f2 | e3 g2 | f3 e2 | fd4| d3 f2 | e3 g2 | f3 e2 | d5 | | z2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | fd2d2 | d2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | f3 f2 | f2ag2 | f2ef2 | g2ag2 | fd2d2 | a3 a2 | g3 e2 | f3 e2 | d4 z1 | Marien, this tune belongs to a different pipe and tabor tradition (and dance) that survives in the west of Spain, near the portuguese border. We have there lots of 5/4, 5/8 and 10/16 examples. This melody is for a stick dance from Cañizal, a little town of Zamora province, and is still played with gaita y tamboril (pipe and tabor). David, nice to find you here! I realise that pipe and tabor and concertina have something special. Juanma (Edited for adding the data about the stick dances)

Hello This is my second message here, so I'll introduce myself again. I'm from Madrid (Spain), an unusual place for playing concertina, but anyway I like a lot these little boxes. I play by ear, mostly european repertory (not Irish) and Spanish traditional music that I like to arrange for my concertina in a sort of rythmic style (or something like that) My instrument from several years ago is a cheap Hohner 20b anglo concertina, but I'm saving money for a good 20b vintage one... I think it will arrive in a few months at home. Here you can see a video of me playing "El buey" (The ox), from Zamora, in West Spain. Is a traditional 5/8 pipe and tabor tune arranged by me, because the pipe and tabor are my main instruments from many years ago. I hope to upload more music for concertina, is an instrument that I like a lot. I hope you like it!

Oh guys! You are very quick answering! I'm not interested in buying it, I'm waiting for a good refurbished Lachenal from a musician I know in UK, but I was quite intrigued about this instrument... is unusual to find concertinas (old and new) here. Thanks again for your quick response. P.S.:Fergus, I live in Madrid.

Hi everyone This is my first message here, so I'll introduce myself. I'm from Spain, an unusual place for playing concertina, but anyway I like a lot these little boxes. I play by ear, mostly european repertory (not Irish) and Spanish traditional music that I like to arrange for my concertina. My instrument from several years ago is a cheap Hohner 20b anglo concertina, but I'm saving money for a good 20b vintage one. This message is because surprisingly I've find this add in a second hand shop website and I don't know the maker, age, etc. of this concertina. Unfortunately there are no photos of the reeds and the action. ¿Somebody know something about it? I'm not interested in this box as my main instrument, perhaps for restoring but I'm very curious because is quite rare to find them here in Spain... The url of the add is http://www.segundamano.es/jaen/antigua-concertina-alglosajona-20-botones/a18825778/?ca=23_s&c=27 Thanks a lot for your help, I find c.net very useful and I have learnt a lot reading your forums. Very good people here!