Roger Hare
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14 hours ago, eskin said:
In my ABC Transcription Tools, you can now set whatever names you want to use for the buttons when generating Anglo Concertina tablature.
...Any values you enter are saved and restored the next time you run the tool.
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I think you have quite a bit of flexibility as far as Anglo Concertina tablature generation now.
I think you are right!
I just tried this, and it took only a couple of minutes to enter the new button names. Excellent!
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9 hours ago, pioneerbird said:
Thank you everyone! I think I will try it out, maybe with a not so nice instrument, and I just checked out the Dave Elliot book.
I only just saw this thread. IMO the book by Dave Elliot is a 'must-have', even if you aren't planning on doing restoration work. It simply tells you everything you ever wanted to know about concertina construction - fascinating stuff.
It certainly gave me the confidence to open up my 'tina to do the simple jobs which have been described 'up there' ↑
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I finally got around to trying out the Anglo fingering generator properly.
Disclaimer: I usually use a different tab style and button numbering in my own programs (but I don't think that's relevant in what follows):
Using the 'Ebb Tide' example, I found that:
Once I had generated the fingering (Wheatstone, cross-row) when I followed the 'Copy to clipboard' and 'Save to file' route described in the documentation, the ABC in the resultant file was corrupted. The up- and down-arrows were replaced with what appear in the on-screen score as a-grave characters. This is illustrated (I hope) below:
I just don't have a clue about why this is happening. I'm more than happy to be told that I'm doing something extremely silly...I've included the relevant ABC as an attached file. -
The folkrnn program does a reasonable job of generating 'folk music' automagically (it uses a 'recursive-neural-network trainer'). I visit the site every so often to see what it can produce. I guess it was this program which was at the back of my mind when I queried the 'relevance' of ChatGPT in this area. folkrnn generated this one for me a couple of years ago:
I called it '1166 Hornpipe' because it was the 1166th tune generated after the project'went public'.
Work on this project continues. I think Bob Sturm is currently based at a university in Stockholm.
I had some more up-to-date links, but I simply cannot find them!
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14 hours ago, Steve Schulteis said:
Everything in that screenshot was generated by ChatGPT... it can also produce a lot of nonsense...
Thanks for that insight into ChatGPT. I'd assumed there was some human content. It's (almost) a relief to find that that's not the case. I knew nothing about it, and this was my first exposure to anything it had produced. I'm impressed - just not very much...
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33 minutes ago, David Barnert said:
Were the notes underneath also generated by ChatGPT? Whoever (or whatever) wrote it seems to be confused as to which way is “in” and which way is “out.” Not being an anglo player, I can’t address the actual notes named.
As far as I'm aware, the whole thing was generated by ChatGPT, but I've asked the originator for clarification. (Edit: The originator tells me he doesn't know how ChatGPT produced this result) I couldn't relate the notes to the notes in any of the 6 ABC settings of the tune which I looked at...
I also noted the confusion about Push/Pull In/Out Sook/Blaw.
Also 'numbers' seem to be used for two different functions...
Given the title of the tune, I suspect that this might have been dreamed up by someone who uses 'Irish ABC' (which was discussed somewhere recently - may have been here or melodeon.net).
I dunno - it looks like a right mess to me...
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I just saw this tablature generated by ChatGPT in 'another place':
Can anyone make anything of it?
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6 hours ago, eskin said:
No, I think its because Ghostscript was built before the whole UTF-8/Unicode/Emoji thing really took off, etc...
I never thought about the time-line - that would do it! Thanks!
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6 hours ago, eskin said:
I just tried it with EasyABC on my Mac and got the same result as you, the Unicode characters don't show up in the exported PDF generated with Ghostscript.
Thanks for that! It's (sort of) nice to know that someone else can produce the same result. Obviously, abcjs plus your code is 'smarter' than the EasyABC/Ghostscript combo.
Never mind...
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23 minutes ago, eskin said:
I know I have to specify UTF-8 encoding for the page for this to work correctly.
Wow! that was quick! Ta!
I just tried that - nope same result - OK in the on-screen score, nothing in the PDF (I'm pretty sure I tried this before - it was a couple of years ago). I ran out of ideas at that point...☹️
It's not desperately 'important', but it would be nice if I could get this working - I'd be able to add one more tabbing style to my 'repertoire'...😊
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3 hours ago, eskin said:
Added a new template with symbols suggested by Danny Flynn for annotating box or concertina transcriptions with fingering information:...
I've tried adding symbols like this to ABC scripts before. I've tried inserting the symbols directly, and in encoded forms, but I've always had the problem that although the symbols appear in the on-screen score (I'm using EasyABC), they do not appear in the generated PDF.
Specifically, I tried adding small square solid and empty 'boxes' in an attempt to add Mick Bramich style tabs, and also the symbols for double-sharp and double-flat.
I've always assumed it was something to do with my Ghostscript installation, but I've never bothered pursuing the matter. Any suggestions as to why this should happen are welcome?
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I have a 26-Button George Jones A♭/E♭ (Salvation Army), and a 26-Button Lachenal C/G.
Both are excellent.
Both are 6.25 inches across the flats, which is sort of 'standard size for vintage Anglos.
26-buttons is a good compromise if the budget can't stretch to the Full Monty in the form of a 30-button vintage instrument...
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90% of the PDF files I produce are designed to be actually printed, not read on-screen. There's not much point selecting a link on a piece of paper - it's not going to work, so I tend not to 'highlight' links in my own PDF files. I guess that as a consequence I don't 'expect' to see links highlighted in PDF files in general?
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2 hours ago, David Barnert said:
All I see is a medium-sized thumbnail of “Ashokan Farewell.” How do I get past that?
Maybe your browser is hung-up in some weird way, and you aren't seeing them, but below the thumbnail, there is a sequence of lines such as:
Click to download "A Dozen Lovely Waltzes with Anglo Concertina (Wheatstone) Tablature"
Click on the ones which are appropriate for you...
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On 7/15/2023 at 12:16 PM, lachenal74693 said:
...That will allow me to run my programs on my copy of a few of the tunes in your tune books and compare the results...
I'll try to keep it short!
I selected a few tunes at random from your Wheatstone Layout Jigs Tune Book.
I created my own ABC version of the tunes.
I ran that ABC code through my tab program.I've attached a single example of the results:
(1) 'The Bowlegged Tailor' page from your tune book
(2) my tabbed version of 'The Bowlegged Tailor' using 'overbar' to indicate 'pull'The fingering looks the same (though the information is laid out differently).
I produced the same fingering for all the tunes I tried except for one instance of a repeated accidental (see footnote below)I've been working 'blind' on my tabbing project for some time now, unsure of whether what I'm producing is 'sensible', so it's a great relief for me to finally see some-one else's results which look the same. Hooray!!!
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Footnote
There are some important differences between what Michael Eskin is doing, and what I am doing:
All my programs are stand-alone, local programs - I don't do web-based programs - I don't know how to...☹️
All my programs are written in the Icon Programming Language (aka Unicon) - I don't know how to program in Java or Python...😊
I only do Wheatstone layout (I don't own a Jefferies), but I do G/D, C/G and Bb/F 'tinas (my main squeeze is a G/D).
My program(s) are simple text/string processors, and know nothing about ABC or music theory, so I don't correctly handle (for example) repeated accidentals in the same bar - doesn't happen often, and so far I've fixed it by hand-editing. This is a bug - which so far I have been too bone-lazy to fix!
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1 hour ago, eskin said:
Yes, I'm using Jim van Donsel's current algorithm verbatim for C/G (with his permission, contacted him first) as well as his button labeling system...
[1] ...I've built my own standalone batch pre-processor for large collections of tunes...
Thanks for all that!
That will allow me to run my programs on my copy of a few of the tunes in your tune books and compare the results.
Yes, adding a '^' for pull so that the tabs only take up a single line does take more space, on average - but I started out using '^', and have got used to it, although I can also use an 'overbar' over the button number which takes up the same space as the button number on its own (that's why I asked about GC's system - his books use overbars).
The slowness I'm seeing is due to the fact that I'm using my small, portable, sloooooow machine this week-end. Everything runs much faster on a more powerful machine...
[1] That's exactly what I do - it's (relatively) simple string/text processing, adding the tabs to the existing ABC code before offering the modified result up to the 'real' ABC software to generate the tabbed tune book (usually EasyABC in my case).
Thanks again for all that - I'll look at it in detail next week.
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I just downloaded the Jigs interactive tune book for Wheatstone layout.
That's very clever - it seems a bit slow - but unfortunately, I am on a very slow, old machine at the moment, so that's my problem.
However, I have another motive for this post. Apart from the fact that the fingering I generate with my program(s) occupies only one line, it all looks pretty similar to what you show in your tune book. (I show R1-pull as R1^ on a single line above/below the staff, rather than an R1 above the staff and a D below)
I'd like to do a comparison between your solutions and my solutions. so may I ask:
Your solutions are for C/G concertina (as in Jim van Donsel's original web page)?
You are (effectively) using the same button numbering system as used in Gary Coover's books (that's what the diagram in your tune book looks like)?
Thanks.
Roger
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1 hour ago, eskin said:
I've integrated the sample library from my iOS "Celtic Sounds" MIDI Module app into the tool for use when playing tunes....
Nice! The concertina, flute and whistle are very good!
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51 minutes ago, Luke Hillman said:
...What works for me might not work for everyone...
I found the Anglo books by Mick Bramich to be particularly useful, though strictly (referring back to the OP), they are melody-only tutors. I used Absolute Beginners Concertina and In-Between Concertina.
There is some Anglo tutorial material available online from: Alan Day, John Kirkpatrick, and on the Australian Bush Traditions web site. At least one of these includes material related to using chords.
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9 hours ago, eskin said:
OK, pushed a fix for the | | issue.
And it works. Thanks! R.
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My internet connection has gone bad, terminally mangling my attempts to edit this and earlier posts. So I've deleted the earlier one, and this one to avoid confusion. The main thing is that ME implemented my suggestion, and we are talking off-line about more 'wrinkles'.
I don't care what anyone says, those radio waves can't get through a little rain!
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Deleted - I meant to send it as a PM - which I have now done. Sorry folks!
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13 hours ago, eskin said:
OK, I've implemented the >> on the right for index links.
Looks like this when both are present...
That was quick! Looks exactly as I imagined it would. Thanks!
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4 hours ago, eskin said:
[1] I kind of like the idea of having << on the left going back to the TOC (if requested) and >> on the right to go to the index (if requested)....
[2] I'm not planning to do any quote processing. If someone wants them a specific way, they can do a global search and replace themselves.
[1] Yup! That's the full implementation of what I had in mind. I would have been sort of surprised if it wasn't something you'd considered... Thanks...
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[2] Yup! I do this all the time with all sorts of 'odd' characters - it's usually the fastest way, and once it's done, it's done...
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Posted · Edited by lachenal74693
I tried this about 4-5 years ago. Unfortunately, the software I used (I can't remember what now) produced a score such that I ended up in a right pickle! "...it would have been easier simply to copy out the score in ABC..." to quote HCJones. This is in fact what I do now...
[1] This is pretty close to the rate at which I am able to do this - and I am by no means the worlsd msot copmetetn tpyits...
[2] Moi aussi! I finally gave up on MS when version 4 hit the streets. The only features which were of real interest to me for the fairly simple stuff I do were: using the sampled concertina sound font to get decent playback; and concertina tablature (which didn't work). Michael Eskin's tool now provides a very acceptable route to achieving both these goals.
I'm surprised you were unable to get EasyABC to run on a Windows 10 machine...