allan atlas Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 FOLKS: as a footnote of sorts to the discussion about the relationship between tuning (meantone) and layout of buttons. . . . . . . .someone mentioned that not all early concertinas had the duplicate buttons for A flat/G sharp and E flat/D sharp. . . . . . .and the question was raised about how that would affect, if at all, the tuning system. . . . . . . . . went through some old notes yesterday. . . . . . .and can report that Wheatstone treble concertina No. 500. . . . . . .sold to the music dealer Chappell and intended for delivery to one Mrs. Baillie has a detailed note in place of the usual reference to the number of buttons. . . . . . .the note reads: "g to c, without A flat and E flat". . . . . .now, i have never seen No. 500 (does anyone out there own it. . . .is it one of the concertinas in the Horniman Museum???). . . . . . so i don't know how many buttons it had. . . . . .but in the early 1840s one finds many concertinas being sold with 44 buttons. . . . . . . yet to omit all A flats and E flats would have meant -- and i calculate from the "standard" 48-button instrument (though there really was no "standard" yet in the early '40s) -- leaving out five buttons (not four), since the very highest A flat is not there anyway. . . . . . be all this as it may: it is still not exactly clear what effect the lack of A flats and E flats would have had on the tuning. . . . . . . .we don't know (at least i don't know) how the G sharps and D sharps were tuned. . . . . . and how, therefore, they would have sounded in pieces written in B-flat and E-flat major, for example. . . . . . .this leads to another question: just what music had already been conceived specifically for the concertina by this time (early '40s) and in what keys were the pieces written . . . . .it is difficult to date music from this period, since publishers generally did not include the date on the music itself. . . . . obviously, they cited themselves and gave their address (which can often help date the music, since publishers often moved around). . . . . . .most of the time, we can only go by the date of deposit in Stationers Hall or the date of acquisition in what is now the British Library. . . . . . however, there is no guarantee that these dates correspond precisely with the date of publication (though the best guess is that they generally did. . . . . .a very reliable guide to dating is advertising, since one doesn't advertise what one doesn't have for sale). . . . . . . assuming all this: the pickings were still pretty slim in the early 1840s. . . . . .even pieces that we know had been performed by this time -- for instance, Joseph Warren's (and he's a fascinating guy) "Grand Fantasia on a theme from Bellini's Norma", which Regondi premiered at the Birmingham Festival in 1837 (and with which he sort of put the concertina "on the map") -- were not, according to the British Library acquisition date, published until later. . . . . presumably when the consumer market had increased in size. . . . . . all in all, there is much that we don't know. . . . . . .and recognizing this is the beginning of wisdom................allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Groff Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Dear Allan and all readers, This is really interesting to me and I hope others with access to these early instruments and records will follow it up. BTW I have read all your excellent postings but I have continued to post my responses to all related postings in the subtopic where the issue of meantone/ layout first came up, despite its unrelated title. On reflection I think you had a better idea in trying to start a new heading for this. Pauol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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