michael sam wild Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I've just spent a nice afternoon playing tunes in Sheffield with my old mate Mike Lydyat ( Google it) who has put a phenomenal amount of material on the web . He has worked out tablature for all O'Carolan's tunes. Check out his site. We will be putting some stuff on soon. http://www.docsworkshop.force9.co.uk Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptarmigan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I've just spent a nice afternoon playing tunes in Sheffield with my old mate Mike Lydyat ( Google it) who has put a phenomenal amount of material on the web . He has worked out tablature for all O'Carolan's tunes. Check out his site. We will be putting some stuff on soon. http://www.docsworkshop.force9.co.uk Mike Ha Ha .. so, from Carolan's Concerto to Carolan's Concert..ina! But seriously, I look forward to hearing any music you guys produce. Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Evans Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) For those more at home with dottage, there is always The Complete Works of O'Carolan from Ossian Publications. Starts with a nice little biography and the dots are done up big for those of us who don't see as well as we used to . There are a couple of suprises when it comes to keys though. Edited January 30, 2009 by Mark Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 We were discussing the whole business of harmony in Irish music and reckoned that if harps were used they must have had quite a lot. My mate Mike said the book he had only showed the 'top line' and that there are no actual historical records of Carolan's harmonies . Any info? We also reckoned he'd have been influenced by the Baroque and harpsichords etc. Keith Hinchliffe, another guitarist pal, , also from Sheffield tries for the 'harp space' in his guitar tunings http://www.keithhinchliffe.com Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Evans Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We were discussing the whole business of harmony in Irish music and reckoned that if harps were used they must have had quite a lot. My mate Mike said the book he had only showed the 'top line' and that there are no actual historical records of Carolan's harmonies . Any info? We also reckoned he'd have been influenced by the Baroque and harpsichords etc.Keith Hinchliffe, another guitarist pal, , also from Sheffield tries for the 'harp space' in his guitar tunings http://www.keithhinchliffe.com Mike They say he was. In his lifetime Baroque music was mostly monody, which had melody with harmonic accompaniment. Seems what we have as transcriptions suggests it, but how sure one can be, who knows. My Dominique is learning a number of O'Carolan tunes and I put in a one line harmony adding 5ths from time to time and avoiding 3rds (she gives me dirty looks as those damned equal temperment 3rds on the concertina really clash with her fiddle). It's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Laban Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 No harm in mentioning The complete O'Carolan collection that's been available for years on the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks , that's a good lead! I've passed it on to Doc Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Is there any documentary evidence of what harmonies O'Carolan actually played or has everybody had to work it out from 'the top line'? Mainly harp, keyboards and guitar players I suspect. And hence modern ideas of harmony although listening to Baroque music must help, music notes are available for keyboards, Viol consorts etc Looking for 'good' chords is certainly stimulating Edited March 10, 2009 by michael sam wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooves Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is there any documentary evidence of what harmonies O'Carolan actually played or has everybody had to work it out from 'the top line'? Mainly harp, keyboards and guitar players I suspect. And hence modern ideas of harmony although listening to Baroque music must help, music notes are available for keyboards, Viol consorts etc Looking for 'good' chords is certainly stimulating I was under the impression he didn't use much if any: there is a story you can find online about O'Carloan which is really funny - In another anecdote, it was said that David Murphy, who was harper to Lord Mayo and once played before King Louis XIV of France, told Carolan his tunes were like "bones without beef". Carolan thereupon dragged Murphy kicking and screaming through the room. While Murphy screamed, Carolan remarked, "Put beef to that air, you puppy." truely an iconic irishman taken from: http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/AMusic/OCarolan.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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