Hereward Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It is rather difficult for me to unlearn years of good manners and refer to someone as Ratface but I assume this monicker is self chosen so here goes: thanks Ratface for your description of triplets. I'm a long way off such twiddly bits but I shall keep your advice for when I feel adventurous enough to give them a go. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptarmigan Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 It is rather difficult for me to unlearn years of good manners and refer to someone as Ratface but I assume this monicker is self chosen so here goes: thanks Ratface for your description of triplets. I'm a long way off such twiddly bits but I shall keep your advice for when I feel adventurous enough to give them a go. Ian Hey Hereward, there's no time like the present. I'd say the sooner you start practicing these dudes, the sooner you'll be able to rattle them off with ease! I'll race you ................. Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hey Hereward, there's no time like the present. I'd say the sooner you start practicing these dudes, the sooner you'll be able to rattle them off with ease! I'll race you ................. Cheers Dick You've got a substantial headstart but I'm a sucker for punishment... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunktrip Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I asked Simon Thoumire about this in a workshop a few years ago and he does them using the finger for the key, then the next finger, then back to the original finger. I think. From memory. That's the way I learnt to do them, and after I learnt to do them I overused them for a while. Now I very rarely use them and prefer to use other tricks like slap rolls and variants thereof, or triplets that aren't on the same note. Same-note triplets are no more difficult on the English than the Anglo really (I've tried them on both). The fact that the keys are closer together isn't really an issue I don't think. I have slim fingers though Hello everyone, by the way, never posted here before, only lurked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reid Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hello everyone, by the way, never posted here before, only lurked... Hello, Dow. I've enjoyed the tunes you've put up on thesession.org and your many other contributions there. Also your playing on Sound Lantern. Welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptarmigan Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Thanks folks, your suggestions have certainly given me a few options to try. I suppose now I'll have to master them all, ... Mmmmm but then what'll I do after lunch today! Nice to see you have come out of hiding too, Dow. By the way, how do you pronounce your nickname? Is it like the Bow in Bow & Arrow, or like bough in the bough of a tree? .... or like Homer Simpson's Doh! Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunktrip Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Thanks folks, your suggestions have certainly given me a few options to try. I suppose now I'll have to master them all, ... Mmmmm but then what'll I do after lunch today! Nice to see you have come out of hiding too, Dow. By the way, how do you pronounce your nickname? Is it like the Bow in Bow & Arrow, or like bough in the bough of a tree? .... or like Homer Simpson's Doh! Cheers Dick Hi Ptarmy, it's pronounced as in bough of a tree I feel liberated from thesession.org - it's nice and cheery over here, isn't it? Will take me a bit of time to get used to all the bits and bobs like quoting and using emoticons and stuff. I might end up coming across as a bit staid and avatarless for a while. It's nice being able to do a cyberblink, for example all this time I've had sore, watery eyes looking at that strange yellow colour. Heh. Back to the triplets: I think I read somewhere that ST uses only his index and middle finger most of the time, even when he's playing on the accidental row, so presumably his fingering is always either 1-2-1 or 2-1-2 for same-note triplets. I've always used my ring finger for the outer accidental row where your F#s are, so when I'm doing a triplet there I'd finger it 3-2-3 where "3" is the ring finger. That's not easy to do, and anyway I'm not overly fussed about the end effect. I really like getting a faster triplet using a bellows crunch on the low F#, or sometimes I like to do some sort of short roll involving the E below it when there are anglo players around, just to annoy them because that's a weak spot for them in terms of flexibility with push and pull Edited January 11, 2009 by Dow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptarmigan Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hi Ptarmy, it's pronounced as in bough of a tree Ah Ha, now I know. I feel liberated from thesession.org - it's nice and cheery over here, isn't it? Will take me a bit of time to get used to all the bits and bobs like quoting and using emoticons and stuff. I might end up coming across as a bit staid and avatarless for a while. It's nice being able to do a cyberblink, for example all this time I've had sore, watery eyes looking at that strange yellow colour. Heh. Yeah, funny thing Dow, everyone's actually on the same side over here. Mind you, we can always arrange for some ORANGE, if you start to miss it! Back to the triplets: I think I read somewhere that ST uses only his index and middle finger most of the time, even when he's playing on the accidental row, so presumably his fingering is always either 1-2-1 or 2-1-2 for same-note triplets. I've always used my ring finger for the outer accidental row where your F#s are, so when I'm doing a triplet there I'd finger it 3-2-3 where "3" is the ring finger. That's not easy to do, and anyway I'm not overly fussed about the end effect. I really like getting a faster triplet using a bellows crunch on the low F#, or sometimes I like to do some sort of short roll involving the E below it when there are anglo players around, just to annoy them because that's a weak spot for them in terms of flexibility with push and pull Yeah it's those same note triplets I'm trying to tame right now. I'm having enough trouble with the Credit Crunch right now, so I think I'll steer well clear of your Bellows Crunch for a while yet! I just wish I'd come to the English earlier ... so much to learn , so little time! Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTT Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Now I . . . prefer to use other tricks like slap rolls . . . I have a request. Will someone, please, find a way to get a video of a "slap roll" and put it on you-tube or something? I've read the descriptions. I've tried it and have even stumbled into success, on rare occasions, so I know it's possible, but there's just nothing like seeing it done. If the video's already out there, of course, a link would be fine. The few concertina players I know in this area don't use slap rolls, so I can't see one in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I asked Simon Thoumire about this in a workshop a few years ago and he does them using the finger for the key, then the next finger, then back to the original finger. I think. From memory. That's the way I learnt to do them, and after I learnt to do them I overused them for a while. Now I very rarely use them and prefer to use other tricks like slap rolls and variants thereof, or triplets that aren't on the same note. Same-note triplets are no more difficult on the English than the Anglo really (I've tried them on both). The fact that the keys are closer together isn't really an issue I don't think. I have slim fingers though Hello everyone, by the way, never posted here before, only lurked... Hi Dow and welcome , As a lurker who can never get it to work and let me in, I've enjoyed your stuff on The Session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 No way I can do these triplets with any elegance on the same note with adjacent fingers . Stubby fingers, close buttons on Anglo. I don't want to do same note triplets much anyway. I much prefer same direction gracing with a higher or lower note in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatFace Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think it's worth pointing out that the basic technique - using different fingers to play the same note in quick succession - can be used in slow tunes as well as fast, since it's mostly a matter of gaining control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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