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Dave Prebble

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  1. In due course the current fad for Irish folk will have run its course; the Anglo will revert to it's original state as an economy instrument for those who can't afford better and there will be a glut on the market as a result of the (relatively) high modern production supplementing the antique supply.

    Well that's kind of offensive - an Anglo as the economy instrument for people who can't afford better? What instruments are you claiming as "better?"


    Even though I prefer the Anglo concertina I wouldn't say it's better or worse than other instruments. Just different, and my preference.


    knock, Knock...


    Is this the right room for an argument ?? :lol:




  2. Do you suffer with awkward positions, or just switch octaves when you don't feel like struggling with the note sequence. I'll bet most do, but since I am a lone concertina wolf, I ask these questions. Switching octaves seems like a very "concertinaistic" approach to solving layout peculiarities.



    I do so almost as a matter of course in many tunes as I play a lot in octaves and with heavy lefthand chords. Very often these changes are almost unconsciously made. As you say, it is sometimes necessary too, just to avoid running out of notes in the upper or lower extremes of a tune.

    I deliberately make octave changes quite a lot in sessions or with the band as I find this can add depth and colour to the overall sound mix.


    On occasion when playing for dancing I also find that a changing the key of a tune mid-dance up from say, G to D, seems to add a certain 'urgency' to the music and can help liven up 'flagging' dancers towards the end of a set.





  3. Hi all


    Another sobering thought....


    Many of the players with top notch instruments are products of the 60s & 70s 'folk revival' and are not getting any younger.

    I doubt there are many who will insist on being buried with their concertinas so the chances of these instruments being released to the 'up-and-coming' increase by the day.


    I too have left instructions as to how my concertinas will be disposed of in the event of my demise, and should I get to the stage that I can no longer play them, there is no way I will let them sit on the shelf.


    ....and so to bed.....


    with my hot water bottle and cocoa :lol:




    ps... Requests to be included in my 'disposal instructions' will, I assure you, receive close consideration only if stapled to a crisp new £50 note ;)

  4. Has any one suggested the notion of




    Deaccession: (1) an object that has been removed permanently from the museum collection; (2) formal removal of accessioned objects from the muse urn's permanent collection. Objects removed from the unaccessioned collections of the museum are not considered deaccessions, but need to go through a formal removal process. See also: disposal.


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're proposing doesn't sound very formal to me!




    Where do they dig up these words from ?


    Nice idea though. Lets ' Liberate ' them all from the Horniman and send them all on a worldwide tour amongst C.net members.


    ..... second thoughts.... the arguments about pecking order for position on the list would be interminable.... Scrub this post !



    Dave Prebble

  5. Yes pay as much as you can and a little bit more.As for populating the world with concertina players, the time will come when we will need concertinamatosis. Hey rabbits are good but hell they have to be kept in check. Geoff.


    Sounds like someone got up on the wrong side of the billybong this morning. Only an Aussie would have an issue with rabbits. Sorry to hear you don't want more concertina players, cobber. I suspect a lot of folks on this board think concertinas are great, and the more the merrier. :D




    Hey message from Yorkshire....Rabbits are lovely.......... but only when in a nice crusty pie


    The problems will start when concertinas start to breed like rabbits


    As for concertinamatosis, I can play blind.... been doing that for years :lol:



  6. I do make mistakes. It doesn't matter though - so does everyone else. Some are good (and some, very good) at covering them up.


    That's a good trick to learn. If you forget the tune, or the words to a song, it's amazing what you can get away with, just as long as you carry on confidently.


    If you vamp the same chord for a dozen bars while staring at the ceiling or floor for inspiration, it's a dead give-away. But if you can play a "variation" or make up some words as you go along, most of the audience won't even notice you've gone wrong.


    The gentle art of bluffing - essential to any musician!


    Well, it works for me :)


    I never noticed Howard - you must be a most accomplished bluffer :lol:


    My eyes and ears will be upon you when next we meet B)






    Hi Jody


    If I had the Wings of a Dove..... :lol:


    I had a great evening when you came over to Sheffield - we certainly 'gelled' that night





    Unfortunately I've badly damaged the biceps tendon in my right elbow and I've not played the concertina at all for the last month. Fortunately, I can still do repair work and tuning and have become pretty skilled at doing jobs while avoiding the use of certain muscles.


    It is a real pity your stay was so short, I should have loved a couple of days playing and swapping tunes.


    Till next time....



  8. get their # and call them next week to get together and play some real music without the pressure.


    So Dave and Nigel, how about you both come over to my place and play a few tunes?



    Hi Jody


    If I had the Wings of a Dove..... :lol:


    I had a great evening when you came over to Sheffield - we certainly 'gelled' that night



  9. So, I was wondering, what was your first experience of a session and how many tunes did you have under your belt at the time?


    Hi Nigel,


    It was all so long ago I really cannot recall exactly...then again, there is a lot I can't remember of what was an extremely boozy youth :blink:


    More than likely I bottled out (no pun intended) the first few times and I am sure that a high proportion of folks here did too.


    What I do remember is the extreme patience and help given to me in my early session days in Sussex. Generally I stayed pretty much in the background quietly trying to find the tune and keep up and was from time to time encouraged to start a tune myself...I must have sounded dreadful, but there would always someone there as a safety net to pick up and carry forward when I 'fell off' the tune.


    I have never forgotten this kindness and always have time and respect for anyone, however much of a beginner, who is prepared to have a go.


    Good luck - keep going to the session, let your mind get used to the the favourite tunes they play there, chat to folks and tell them you are a beginner. Confidence will grow and one day it will happen for you - of that you can be sure





  10. [Edited to add the closing parenthesis



    I did chuckle slightly at the missing parethesis at the end of the word parenthesis.


    I have seen that Chris Algar has a 46 key Lachenal Maccann duet for sale on ebay uk currently. My fingers are twitching. I wonder what it will go for.


    46 Key Lachenal Maccann Duet on Ebay



    It is not so far from Llangollen to Stoke-on Trent.

    Give Chris Algar a ring and make an appointment to go and see what type and range of instruments he has available. I have known Chris for best part of 30 years and he has a reputation second to none. I am sure he will point you along the right path.




  11. Hi All,


    I tune in very much the same way as Rich and would thoroughly recommend using a chart to organise the job.


    I don't know what sort of tuning 'meter' you use, but I found out the hard way that mine gives incorrect pitch measurements (and tone generation) as the battery gets low. On the occasion this happened to me I noticed it fairly quickly but I still had re-tune several reeds.

    Once bitten, twice shy..... I now always fit a brand new high quality battery at the start of a new tuning job and use the battery test button regularly. The cast off batteries fuel various radios etc round the house.





  12. It's no good, I'm just going to have to put up the text for this one as well:-
    With the adornment of the timber situation the Celestina Accordian of the old type at"consider as to discover" first circumstance. Read in the paper label of this piece, " the LACHENAL& CO patent right the musical instrument of the hexagon of the similar organ, the age of this piece is in 1850's to 1900th. This early tool at both of be over up use to decorate of the timber carvings article have astonishing outward appearance. At similar organ of hexagon of the timber of the musical instrument and the timber situation's using the loss result of the only smaller quantity surface apparently is a red sandalwood. There are 17 button keys on the side with 16 at another up with at liberty all ambulations. The 40% discount layer bellows with have no fracture. Both of the rope support very good monk's being not touched by person. The musical instrument of the hexagon of this similar organ measure 6?" x 7". All, stick of can collect of the piece is an early facial expression because of that good conduct!!

    Careful inspection of the pictures leads me to suspect that the monk's have in fact been touched by person.





    Pure poetry :)

  13. ...... soon we will have midi/ virtual instruments ........

    Gaagghhhheeeeuuuggghhhh - I hope not :ph34r:

    I second that remark.



    And I thought I was the reactionary old f*rt round here :lol:


    When I can get round to it I intend to build a reedless 40 key 'anglo' for Accordion Magic to kit out as a midi.


    Much looking forward to all the fun I can have with it at ceilidhs. switching from trombone to piccalo to bagpipes.... all in the same tune


    Fear not - it will never replace the real concertina !





  14. I'd much prefer a bottle warmer to an upturned iron for keeping the glue warm!


    I quite agree with you. Our kids were raised on a 'pair of natural bottle warmers', so to speak, so I don't happen to have such equipment to hand. I very much like the idea though and will keep the old eyes peeled at car boot sales. Gotta be safer !


    I also have a 1 quart gluepot in the workshop - about the right size for cooking a stew but a bit O.T.T. for concertina pad quantity dabs of glue



  15. She wanted to keep it a secret and I will probably get into trouble over this but certain milestones cannot be ignored.


    Kitty Hayes has her 80 th birthday today (saturday) . She's ten years back at the concertina and long may she continue.




    Belated best wishes to a lovely lady.


    Quiet, steady, unassuming and absolutely brimful of character...... just like her playing



  16. Amen, Brother.

    I have a hot pot of hide glue on everyday of my working life.




    On my bench I have a gluepot for hode/scotch/pearl glue. Whatever you call it its the stuff made from bits of dead animals that has to be heated before use. I'm firmly of the opinion that it is the first choice for all woodwork repairs.....etc


    Hi all


    I'll add to the 'amen chorus' brothers B)


    Couldn't agree more with Theo and Bob


    As far as the use of hot melt glues or silicon sealers for pads, I daresay they would attach a pad to an arm OK but can see no advantage over the ‘tried and tested’ hide glue which would also seem to me to be easier and cleaner to apply…


    One plea I will add .... please never use epoxy resins for woodwork repairs ! It is the devil’s own job to break the joint and causes no end of problems for restorers of concertinas and antiques alike.


    Otherwise, I can't think of anything to add to my post of 3 years ago... see here : -




    That thread covered glues in quite some depth and is well worth a read.





  17. What precisely is PVA glue? It's mentioned repeatedly in the Elliot book, but I've never heard of it and have no idea what it is or what PVA means.
    Polyvinyl Acetate. Your basic white crafts glue. Best known example in the USA is Elmer's.


    My preference is Titebond Liquid Hide for this job. Unlike the traditional hot hide glues, I find it doesn't get brittle with age.


    PVA Glue (Evo-Stick Resin W is easy to find in UK) ... does the job fine but most grades of PVA set quite hard and are fairly water resistant so do bear in mind that, the next time the instrument needs re-padding, you (or someone else) may well have to replace the leather spuds that go on the end of the lever arms.






    Dave FR - Two ' t's ' in Elliott or he'll send the boys round to bust your knees !! :lol:

  18. It's C/G not a C/F (which apparently doesn't exist - someone might have told me!)



    F/C (as opposed to C/F) concertinas exist, but not in great numbers. This is most likely why your little faux pas went un-noticed.


    I have been looking for a nice F/C Baritone Anglo for years but on the rare occcasions I find one I am invariably broke :(



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