Lawrence Reeves Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) I see this listed, and am curious as o what the suspected tuning might be. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/G-JONES-VINTAGE-CONC...14#ht_500wt_977 As a one row, with only a few accidentals it is something I have never heard of. Edited August 13, 2009 by Lawrence Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 As a one row, with only a few accidentals it is something I have never heard of. Well it looks like something I've never heard of anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDNICKILBY Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Gor Blimey Guv! It must be rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Well it looks like something I've never heard of anyway... I wonder if its a very limited piano system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I wonder if its a very limited piano system? Wes, The thought did cross my mind, but then it would only have a range of E to B on either end, which seems pretty bizarre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB-R Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was assuming it was a very basic Jedcertina but maybe I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was assuming it was a very basic Jedcertina but maybe I'm wrong. I wouldn't like to say what it is with that key layout, but (if it does have piano-fingering) George Jones called them his "Newly Improved Piano Concertinas" and the Jedcertina didn't come along until a long time later. Only, whoever heard of a piano without C, C#, D or Eb keys on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Reeves Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 My best guess it a row in c with appropriate lachenal type buttons from a 26 key. Play in C sure, but adding a C#, Bb, G#, D# and maybe instead of alternate direction A/G buttons you get an F#/ G#. If so could play C, G, D and the minors. One of "Us" should own it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Well there's nothing like it in my George Jones catalogues, where the smallest Anglos have 20 keys and the 3 models of Piano Concertina all have 35, like the one that was sold on eBay a few weeks ago: NICE VINTAGE ANTIQUE GEORGE JONES CONCERTINA 35 KEYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB-R Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Seller says "different notes push and pull," as Lawrence suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Reeves Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 I thought about it, but passed. Anyone here pick it up? Can't wait to see what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) I am not sure whether I qualify as 'One of Us' (see above) but have bought the concertina under discussion. the following observations may be of interest; - # 16340 (can anyone date this). - G Jones, Commercial Rd stamped in end (not trade made stamped on handle). - Mahogany ends. - Structurally, it seems to be a standard Jones Anglo; hardwood action pan, rivetted action on fishtail posts. - Wood screws rather than bolts. - Mixture of brass and steel reeds in screwed brass shoes. - Layout (I have taken notes from reed shoes and not yet checked them with tuner) seems to be based around C (red on attached layout) with accidentals on upper left row and mixture on right hand (see below). - No marks suggesting that this was a 20b that was aletered to be a 16b. Whilst the left hand makes some sense, it seems strange to me that the upper right hand row is not positioned for the index, 2nd and 3rd fingers. Any suggestions/comments on this odd instrument would be very welcome; I note that there isn't an example in the Horniman collection and a 16b Anglo does not appear in price lists. Best Regards, Neil Edited August 25, 2009 by nkgibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Reeves Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 I'd say you are one of us, unless you are one of "them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Reeves Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 Well, I looked at the button layout.....my brain hurts now. Playing in Eb looks ok, C ok, thinking about D and backtracking from right to left hand. I have played with a 22 and 24 key where the 'spare"keys are the C# etc. It must be a variant on that kind of idea. My head would have been spinning had I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkgibbs Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Well, I looked at the button layout.....my brain hurts now. Playing in Eb looks ok, C ok, thinking about D and backtracking from right to left hand. I have played with a 22 and 24 key where the 'spare"keys are the C# etc. It must be a variant on that kind of idea. My head would have been spinning had I bought it. Dear Lawrence, Apologies for spinning your head. I need to plot the notes on a stave to understand the 'logic' of the layout. Regards, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Any suggestions/comments on this odd instrument would be very welcome; I note that there isn't an example in the Horniman collection and a 16b Anglo does not appear in price lists. I expect it's a "one-off" made specially for somebody, maybe to try out an idea? But, with the layout of the treble buttons, it wouldn't even suit a player used to one of the 10-key, single-row German concertinas, who wanted some semitones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david fabre Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) The layout is indeed very peculiar. The shift on the right row is not necessarily a bad idea : if you also shift your fingers so that the "natural" position will be index on second button, etc..., then you come back to the usual layout, and this may also improve the balance of the instrument as you will be playing more "in the center" of it. This is something I have already thought about in my elucubrations about a "minimal" instrument. The reversed C/B button at the bottom of the row can be useful for some chords, but other notes could have been reversed and the advantages of the present choice are not obvious to me. Anyway, playing chords will be very limited with such an instrument. Note that your layout file does not indicate the octaves. I'm assuming the B/C and D/E buttons on the additional row on the right are continuing the scale in the upper octave, which makes sense to me. Edited August 28, 2009 by david fabre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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