Jim Besser Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 The first in this set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3wUMZBLyE Need a name, if possible!
PeterT Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 The first in this set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3wUMZBLyE Need a name, if possible! Hi Jim, The easy way would be to contact Eagle Morris and ask the question. One of their musicians has responded to comments regarding the video. Alternatively, you could "play detective", which is much more fun . Here's the link to the Eagle Morris website (see the Dance Notes page): http://www.hookeagle.org.uk/ I was listening to the music (tune one was "familiar but altered" according to my memory), whilst looking at the website, so I did not try to match the dance notation to the video. Assuming that it is not a "new" tune for the side, and does appear within their notes, I can rule out several tunes. Don't quote me, but I think it's "Random Hornpipe", used for the dance "Fresne Poret". There is a reference to the band "Florida", so, if all else fails, you could ask C.net member Gavin Atkin whether this is the correct title for that tune. Regards, Peter.
PeterT Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 Don't quote me, but I think it's "Random Hornpipe", used for the dance "Fresne Poret". There is a reference to the band "Florida", so, if all else fails, you could ask C.net member Gavin Atkin whether this is the correct title for that tune. It's not!!!! I've just seen the other video of this team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mLPLPNPnA...re=channel_page This tune is "Random Hornpipe".
Jim Besser Posted June 30, 2009 Author Posted June 30, 2009 Don't quote me, but I think it's "Random Hornpipe", used for the dance "Fresne Poret". There is a reference to the band "Florida", so, if all else fails, you could ask C.net member Gavin Atkin whether this is the correct title for that tune. It's not!!!! I've just seen the other video of this team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mLPLPNPnA...re=channel_page This tune is "Random Hornpipe". The A part sounds like Constant Billy; the B is completely different. And it's entirely different than the recorded version of Random Jig I have!
Randall Cayford Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 The first in this set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3wUMZBLyE Need a name, if possible! According to Gog Magog Molly it's "Schottische a Virmoux"
Jim Besser Posted July 1, 2009 Author Posted July 1, 2009 The first in this set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3wUMZBLyE Need a name, if possible! According to Gog Magog Molly it's "Schottische a Virmoux" Thanks, that seems to be the one! Appreciate the help.
spindizzy Posted July 1, 2009 Posted July 1, 2009 The first in this set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3wUMZBLyE Need a name, if possible! According to Gog Magog Molly it's "Schottische a Virmoux" You beat me to it ... it's a tune we play at our local session (along with, I think, Canal en Octobre, both frederic paris tunes). You can find the ABC for these in one of Steve Mansfield's tune collections (the grand Session de manchester) at Lesession So, does anyone know the scond tune in the video, it sounds Breton to me. Chris
Chris Drinkwater Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Here's the abc for a version of the tune, similar to the one I play. I don't think Frederic Paris wrote it, though he did compose Le Canal en Octobre, among other tunes. X: 1 T:SCOTTISH A VIRMOUX M:4/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=120 K:G |:GdcB d2d/2 z/2 B|cBcd e3/2 z/2 d3/2 z/2 |dgdB c3/2 z/2 BA|1BdBG A3A/2 z/2:|2GdcB G4|! |:g3/2 z/2 d3/2 z/2 g3 f|edef gage|d3/2 z/2 G3/2 z/2 d3/2 z/2 cB|1ABcd e def:|2ABcd G4| Here's the abc for a nice French bourrée, Bourrée à Malochet. X: 1 T:Bourrée à Malochet M:2/4 L:1/8 K:D F2 G2 | A3d | c3/2d/2 ec | d3/2e/2 fd |\ F2 G2 | A3d | c3/2d/2 ec | d4 :| |:\ f3/2e/2 df | e3/2d/2 ce | d3/2c/2 BG | A4 |\ G3/2A/2 BG |1 F2 DF | E3/2F/2 GE | F4 :|\ [2 F2 Dd | c3/2d/2 ec | d4 |] Chris
spindizzy Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Here's the abc for a version of the tune, similar to the one I play. I don't think Frederic Paris wrote it, though he did compose Le Canal en Octobre, among other tunes. Thanks Chris - I asked about the Schottische last night (and we played it - not done that for quite a while) and they said it wasn't a Paris tune - I must have picked up that wrong sometime... the set we play is Schottische a Virmoux, Canal en Octobre and Ganivelle (which I'm assured is by Paris ) Here's some ABC for this last one X: 1 T:Ganivelle (F. Paris) M:2/4 L:1/16 K:G GA|B3d A2GA|B2G2 G2AB|cBcd cBAG|A3B A2GA|\ B3d A2GA|B2G2 G2AB|cBcd efdc|A6:| |:cd|e3d c2Bc|d2G2 G2cd|eged c2Bc|d3e dBcd|\ e3d c2Bc|d2G2 G2AB|cBcd cBAG|A6:| Edited July 2, 2009 by spindizzy
Robin Harrison Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Hi Jim...........you've got the music in your copy of the Toronto Session Book; set 35. We play it with Rainbow Hornpipe, Polka Chinoise and then Schottische a Viramoux. Robin PS I should have added that it is written by Frederick Paris...........I was in email contact with him about the tune when I asked permission to include it in the session book. Edited July 2, 2009 by Robin Harrison
Jim Besser Posted July 2, 2009 Author Posted July 2, 2009 Hi Jim...........you've got the music in your copy of the Toronto Session Book; set 35. We play it with Rainbow Hornpipe, Polka Chinoise and then Schottische a Viramoux. Robin PS I should have added that it is written by Frederick Paris...........I was in email contact with him about the tune when I asked permission to include it in the session book. Shoulda looked! Thanks
Chris Drinkwater Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I should have added that it is written by Frederick Paris...........I was in email contact with him about the tune when I asked permission to include it in the session book. Well, that's news to me. If it is true, then why don't the people who post this tune on session tune websites credit him with composing it? Perhaps they think it is traditional? Chris
Steve Mansfield Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I should have added that it is written by Frederick Paris...........I was in email contact with him about the tune when I asked permission to include it in the session book. Well, that's news to me. If it is true, then why don't the people who post this tune on session tune websites credit him with composing it? Perhaps they think it is traditional? Chris I didn't join in this discussion until I'd had a chance to check the attribution on the definitive source, which is the La Chavannee album 'Cotillon' ... and that puts it as trad/F Paris. I'd guess it's one of the tunes where Frederic started with a fragment or half a tune that was traditional, and he created the rest of it. I certainly try to give a composer name where one is known, and try to keep up with any corrections - so I need to go back through my online collections this weekend and check how I've attributed Virmoux ... Attribution on tune sites is a whole area of discussion / argument / debate - tunes get passed on in all sorts of ways and the tune travels a lot quicker than its name and attribution. People share tunes, both face-to-face and over t'Internet, with the primary concern being the transmission of the melody rather than the origin of that melody - projects like the Village Music Project are researtching tune families and the way that tunes are transmitted, but in most cases it only takes one misattribution or wrong title to be passed on in good faith and the chain is broken.
spindizzy Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I certainly try to give a composer name where one is known, and try to keep up with any corrections - so I need to go back through my online collections this weekend and check how I've attributed Virmoux ... Hi Steve, You've attributed Virmoux to Paris - that was my original source for the composer, and I'd guess that it's your influence that brought that set to the Mobberley Session, even if we did spend some time debating who composed it on wednesday Chris
Steve Mansfield Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Hi Steve, You've attributed Virmoux to Paris - that was my original source for the composer, and I'd guess that it's your influence that brought that set to the Mobberley Session, even if we did spend some time debating who composed it on wednesday Chris Morning Chris Oops. You can go back on Wednesday week and confirm my guilt to the assembled throng! I'm hoping to actually get along there in August for the first time in ages, so I shall accept my Punishment For Misinformation then ... Steve
Chris Drinkwater Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 I certainly try to give a composer name where one is known, and try to keep up with any corrections - so I need to go back through my online collections this weekend and check how I've attributed Virmoux ... ....and this is how Steve attributed it. X: 97 T:Schottische de Virmoux M:2/2 L:1/8 R:Schottische C:Frederic Paris Z:Steve Mansfield K:G major BdcB d3B | cBcd e2d2 | dgdB c2BA | BdBG A4 | BdcB d3B | cBcd e2d2 | dgdB c2BA | GdcB G4 :: g2d2 g3f | edef gage | d2G2 d2cB | ABcd edef | g2d2g3f | edef gage | d2G2 d2cB | ABcd G4 :| Note the 'de virmoux' as opposed to 'a virmoux'. Chris
Steve Mansfield Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 I certainly try to give a composer name where one is known, and try to keep up with any corrections - so I need to go back through my online collections this weekend and check how I've attributed Virmoux ... ....and this is how Steve attributed it. X: 97 T:Schottische de Virmoux M:2/2 L:1/8 R:Schottische C:Frederic Paris Z:Steve Mansfield K:G major BdcB d3B | cBcd e2d2 | dgdB c2BA | BdBG A4 | BdcB d3B | cBcd e2d2 | dgdB c2BA | GdcB G4 :: g2d2 g3f | edef gage | d2G2 d2cB | ABcd edef | g2d2g3f | edef gage | d2G2 d2cB | ABcd G4 :| Note the 'de virmoux' as opposed to 'a virmoux'. Chris And I was in fact wrong on both counts - it is indeed a Virmoux not de Virmoux, and the attribution should be trad/Frederic Paris. Both of which have now been corrected in the relevant file http://www.lesession.co.uk/music/lgsdmweb.abc.
spindizzy Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 Oops. You can go back on Wednesday week and confirm my guilt to the assembled throng! As long as you don't apologise for bringing the tune set along in the first place! Anyway you we're closer than than the nameless session member who said definately wasn't Paris! See you sometime Chris
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