chris Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hi whilst looking for new songs to have a go at I was looking thru' Roy Palmer's 'The Rambling Soldier' Peacock Books: 1977 and discovered this quote from 'James Hawker's Journal. A Victorian Poacher' ed Garth Christian OU press 1961 'While in Dublin I was paid a Compliment from a temperance Point of view. I was Selected by the Sergeant Major to take a Desterter to Bury in Lancashire. He said I was "Proof against Getting Drunk" One evening - October 25 - after reading the Charge of the Light Brigade, I was playing my Concertina and the Men were Dancing when Captain Vivian came to the Door. "Corporal Hawker," he shouted. "Where did you Get that Thing?" "I bought it, Sir," Itold him. "Surely not out of your pay?" he said. "Yes Sir," I replied. "I bought it to keep the men out of the Canteen. It cost me ten shillings." He put five shillings in my Hand, a reward for setting the Men a Good Example. Hawker was posted to Dublin about 1854. As Joseph Scates was in business in Dublin at that time I guess I would like to think that the concertina mentioned could have been bought from Joseph Scates' shop. At that price (ten shillings) I guess it would likely be a 'cheap' Anglo. Tho' Stephen Chambers, in another posting, about Scates, did suggest that 'cheap' Anglo's where sold by shops other than music shops. I can't see the use of a Concertina as a 'temperance' tool myself! (some of the odd capital letters where in the original text) chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglo-Irishman Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I can't see the use of a Concertina as a 'temperance' tool myself! Chris, True, musical instruments of all kinds are often associated with debauchery, time-wasting and vices of all sorts. You probably know the shortest musician joke: "A musician walked past a pub." But remember that the concertina - first the Anglo, then the Triumph - was for a long time the hallmark of the Salvation Army, a very temperance-oriented organisation! Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm clapp Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Somewhat later in time than the subject of the initial post here, but this interesting photo appeared recently on an internet auction site (not eBay). Reproduced here without permission, so apologies in anticipation, should that be necessary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hiwhilst looking for new songs to have a go at I was looking thru' Roy Palmer's 'The Rambling Soldier' Peacock Books: 1977 and discovered this quote from 'James Hawker's Journal. A Victorian Poacher' ed Garth Christian OU press 1961 'While in Dublin I was paid a Compliment from a temperance Point of view. I was Selected by the Sergeant Major to take a Desterter to Bury in Lancashire. He said I was "Proof against Getting Drunk" One evening - October 25 - after reading the Charge of the Light Brigade, I was playing my Concertina and the Men were Dancing when Captain Vivian came to the Door. "Corporal Hawker," he shouted. "Where did you Get that Thing?" "I bought it, Sir," Itold him. "Surely not out of your pay?" he said. "Yes Sir," I replied. "I bought it to keep the men out of the Canteen. It cost me ten shillings." He put five shillings in my Hand, a reward for setting the Men a Good Example. Hawker was posted to Dublin about 1854. As Joseph Scates was in business in Dublin at that time I guess I would like to think that the concertina mentioned could have been bought from Joseph Scates' shop. At that price (ten shillings) I guess it would likely be a 'cheap' Anglo. Tho' Stephen Chambers, in another posting, about Scates, did suggest that 'cheap' Anglo's where sold by shops other than music shops. I can't see the use of a Concertina as a 'temperance' tool myself! (some of the odd capital letters where in the original text) chris Good one, Chris. Scates was advertising German concertinas as early as 1854; an ad of that year listed a "good" German concertina postpaid to anywhere in Ireland for 20 shillings. Presumably a not-so-good one bought at the shop would go for less...presumably for the ten shillings that Hawker said he paid. You also should consider John Bray, another early retailer of both ECs and GCs in Dublin, who was Scates' main competition for a couple of decades. These early concertina ads can be seen at http://www.angloconcertina.org/Addendum.pdf and at http://www.angloconcertina.org/Irish.html Your 'sighting' is a real gem...the earliest reference to someone actually playing a German concertina in Ireland. It predates the first (known) public appearance of Regondi with his English concertina in 1835. Many thanks for posting it! Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Somewhat later in time than the subject of the initial post here, but this interesting photo appeared recently on an internet auction site (not eBay). Reproduced here without permission, so apologies in anticipation, should that be necessary.... Malcolm, Great photo! Thanks for sharing it. I think I published its twin in my Concertinas at Sea article, figure 34. http://www.angloconcertina.org/Concertinas_at_Sea.html The concertina player in that photo seems to be the same one as yours, but with a different group (and in front of a slightly different barracks). The one I published dates from around 1909. Nice to have the additional data now that links it to their unit....1st Worcester. If I had to guess, I'd say your image is slightly older, as the concertina player had acquired a medal of some sort in my image. Cheers, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hi I've just looked at the title at the start of this posting - total gibberish If anyone does know what a 'concna' is please let me know. That's what happens when you're excited and don't check properly and don't re-read what you've written thanks to those who were curious enough to read on........... chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 If anyone does know what a 'concna' is please let me know. I know what it is but I don't know another word for it... That's what happens when you're excited and don't check properly and don't re-read what you've written Couldn't it be arranged by the webmaster that we can edit a title we entered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Your 'sighting' is a real gem...the earliest reference to someone actually playing a German concertina in Ireland. It predates the first (known) public appearance of Regondi with his English concertina in 1835. Many thanks for posting it! Dan, Am I missing something somewhere? I read the post as relating to 1854 'ish, not pre 1835. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Your 'sighting' is a real gem...the earliest reference to someone actually playing a German concertina in Ireland. It predates the first (known) public appearance of Regondi with his English concertina in 1835. Many thanks for posting it! Dan, Am I missing something somewhere? I read the post as relating to 1854 'ish, not pre 1835. Wes, Good grief! A dyslexic transmogrification of (18)53 to 35, somewhere in the deep recesses of my so-called brain. Unfortunately happening slightly more often these days, especially with my tpying (typing)...but this one was cognitive (ie, a simple screw-up, where I 'know' the right dates in some other part of my brain). Fortunately, it doesn't apply to my playing yet...but I'm holding that excuse in reserve for difficult tunes. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) There is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Ian Edited April 22, 2009 by Hereward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Thee is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Ian I think it's overdraft .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Hi see, also current budget chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Wasn't it concna? There is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Wasn't it concna? There is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Ian Oh, a wsie gyu, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Oh, a wsie gyu, eh? naah, ehj frogit all tiov left argee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Worrall Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newgrange Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 There is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Ian Dyscalculia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 There is a word for dyslexia with numbers but my old brain has failed to call it up for the nonce. Dyscalculia. I thought that was the process the dentist uses for removing plaque from one's teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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