Molly Roberts Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 There is something else going on as well though. The curled lip and flared nostril are almost like a sustained twitch. It feels like some kind of involuntary neural-muscular thing. Bill, I have also noticed shoulder or head movements (shrugging, turning side to side) that seem to occur at the same place in a given tune each time I play it. They don't appear to have anything specific to do with the mechanics of playing. I think you're on the right track with the involuntary neuro-muscular thing. Whatever the reason, it feels somehow satisfying; as if the movements belong together. In other words, it would take an effort to inhibit the movement. Muscle memory, perhaps? Cheers, Molly
Robert Booth Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 curled lip? Flared nostrils? It's just the ghost of Elvis, checkin on your progress. No worries!
Bill N Posted January 24, 2009 Author Posted January 24, 2009 curled lip? Flared nostrils? It's just the ghost of Elvis, checkin on your progress. No worries! Thank you. Thank you ver' much.
Fiddlehead Fern Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I'm guilty of making faces when I play. My "concertina face" is quite often a blank stare of unfocused intensity at some random object. Late summer I met a fellow English concertina player, which resulted in my running to the car to fetch the box and then swap it back and forth as we played a few tunes, lots of fun but I was a little nervous as I'd never played my concertina in front of any other concertinists yet.....no pressure of course and there were plenty of others loitering around so I was concentrating on what my fingers where doing. After I finished my piece Don made a comment about how I had the "concertina player look" that has been recorded so many times. Years of playing the violin has taught me to clamp my jaw shut though, so I've never had to worry about drooling! My "fiddle" face however is something slightly different, I apparently make unpleasant faces when I don't get something as perfect as I'd like. When I was preparing for a recital my violin teacher was constantly harping on me to "just smile, you look like you're in mortal agony!" and "If you didn't make such ghastly faces no one else would realize that you made a mistake!" Ah well.
Samantha Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 ..."If you didn't make such ghastly faces no one else would realize that you made a mistake!" ... Never was a truer word spoken. Samantha
Anglo-Irishman Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I’ve been told that, sometimes, I look like I’m intently reading ‘dots’ posted on the adjacent wall. Just as long as I’m not drooling! N Hm! Reminds me of the old joke: "How can you tell that the stage at a bluegrass concert is dead level? - The banjo player is drooling equally from both corners of his mouth!" Just one of many banjo jokes. In the classical world, it's viola-player jokes. As a banjoist, I regard these as an accolade. A moderately played banjo sounds better than a well played steel-string guitar, so the guitarists vent their envy in such jokes. And a moderately played viola sounds a lot more pleasant than a well-played violin, so the violinists have to upstage the viola players that way, too. Just one nagging thought: why do concertina players crack jokes about melodion players and piano-accordionists? (Ducking and running for cover ...) Cheers, John
LDT Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Just one nagging thought: why do concertina players crack jokes about melodion players and piano-accordionists? I wondered that too.
Hereward Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Just one nagging thought: why do concertina players crack jokes about melodion players and piano-accordionists? They're a bigger target than we are? Ian
MUTT Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Just one nagging thought: why do concertina players crack jokes about melodion players and piano-accordionists? I wondered that too. Bellows envy?
michael sam wild Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I have melodeon and conc face. Learning to sing at the same time as playing has helped. We're in good company look at Eric Clapton and Martin Carthy on guitar Keep on gurning! Well worth Googling it, hilarious videos PS Why are there no guitarist jokes? Because their fragile egos can't take it! Edited January 30, 2009 by michael sam wild
Fergus_fiddler Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 PS Why are there no guitarist jokes? Because their fragile egos can't take it! There are, indeed: -Why is better a guitar than a fiddle? -Because it burns longer. I've not concertina face - at the moment - but my fiddle face gave me serious problems. I used to tight very strongly my jaws when focused playing, with the subsequently teethache! Luckily, I corrected that before losing any molar.... Cheers, Fer
Timbecile Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 In my circle, I'm well known for they variety of freakish faces I sport when I'm on stage. When I'm practicing though, it's a completely different story....concertina face all over the place! One thing I've noticed through my travels is that forcing yourself to think about (and do) other things while you're playing a song (like singing or making anything other than a blank stare-face) helps you (me!) learn the song better. I guess trying to do two things at once helps commit the song to muscle memory...(or maybe my brain stops getting in the way of playing the song!)
david_boveri Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 Just one nagging thought: why do concertina players crack jokes about melodion players and piano-accordionists? (Ducking and running for cover ...) Cheers, John my impression of it was that those other instruments are more popular, and we have to fight tooth and nail for recognition. also, piano accordions are LOUD. it's sort of an inferiority complex thing. also, it's annoying when people think you play the accordion. i've just given up and started answering yes to the question of "do you play the accordion."
SqeezerGeezer Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 Perhaps more serious than distorted facial expressions is making sure you are not holding your breath. A lot of musicians, including myself, have a tendency to tense up and hold their breath when playing, especially on difficult passages. Tension in any part of your body while playing is not good. It can hurt your playing as well as your health. I find it more difficult to breathe naturally when playing an anglo concertina because of the constant back and forth bellows action. I don't have this problem as much with the english concertina. I wonder if anyone else who plays both anglo and english concertinas has noticed this.
Paperpuncher Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 It's a very real phenomenon, Concertina face...there must be cross connections in the brain, or summat like that. I see mostly lip movements among my fellow concertinists...but most of them play English while I play anglo. I try not to watch in order not to laugh out loud, though I know I also make faces while playing...can't be helped. Another noticeable side effect is synchronous breathing...not so much holding of breath as per squeezergeezer...inhaling and exhaling matched with the motion of the bellows...which can lead to hypoxia or hyperventilation depending on the tune... Anyone else notice that? It took me a conscious effort to de-link my breathing from my anglo-pumping.
michael sam wild Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 See post in Teaching and Learning could it be the Mainichean struggle between the Right and Left Brain for supremacy which is manifested in our contorted features and gurning?
drbones Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 I have quite an opposite problem. When I play, it's the listeners who have the funny faces.
J Werner Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 It's funny, when I play concertina I get the blank, slack-jawed look you're describing, but when I play guitar or mandolin I do the "white man's overbite" (ie, biting my lower lip in the Bill Clinton concerned kind of look).
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