Interesting concertina on eBay

[Jon C.]

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Who is the maker?

[Paul Read]

190279179983

Who is the maker?

Definitely a concer -tin-a. Could be a Wholewheatstone?

[Daniel Hersh]

Here's the link. I believe that these have been discussed here before. It's not really a concertina, but a biscuit tin that doubles as a free reed noisemaker and is designed to look like a concertina. I don't know if it's known who made them.

 

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Who is the maker?

[Kautilya]

JACOB'S BISCUITS CONCERTINA - Maker? Country? Anglo-Irish, German, Crane double puff cream with Guinness flavour?

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How much time do you have....? Bit like dating a Lachenal perhaps or asking where Cranes were made, assembled, distributed? Is it an Irish concertina or an English German Anglo?

 

To help shortcut this question one could try and a new approach: ask if the seller can 'smell' the item and let us know, in the way that people talk about gunge and odours from inside a tina from being played in smoke-filled pubs......

 

Why? You might well ask!

 

Putting to one side the Waterford (1881) and then Dublin roots and then the splitting off in 1922 of the branch in Liverpool, Jacob's Biscuit factory in Long Lane (2km long) at various stages not only produced the smell of biscuits across the surrounding area. Next door were Mother's Pride Bread and also Hartley's Jam factories. A summer evening produced the perfect aerial tea smell ... providing the wind was blowing from the west across the fields of the vast estate of the TB hospital and a dairy farm. However, if the wind was blowing from the east then the olfactory music of teatime had to cope with the country odour of the main sewage farm for the area next to the English (not Anglo) Electric factory where some of the first air powered (jet bellows) planes were built.........

 

So does the tin smell of Guinness? But that could be Liverpool or Dublin of course so no clear ID there.

 

Could making biscuit tins have been a sideline by inventive scousers at Crane & Sons (and or Brothers)? The main shop, offices and their Crane Hall (later Neptune Theatre) were in the heart of Liverpool in "Hanover" St., only a 30 minute tram ride from Long Lane. With a street name like that, there is a research route to be followed up in terms of German Anglos......

 

Someone somewhere suggested Crane’s did not manufacture, but they certainly had something at 217, Scotland Rd. (http://www.concertina.com/maccann-duet/Maccann-Concertinists-Guide.pdf).

 

Scotty Road has always been where the “busies” always went out on patrol in threes and it is unlikely such an area would boast a classy showroom, so one would assume it was a factory (or warehouse for storage or re-assembly?) . This is half way on that tram route from Long Lane – surely not a base for Scottish concertinas and accordions?).

 

This could offer another odour clue. Does the box smell of oilcake, cattlefeed, cooking oil? Bibby’s, oils for the Empire, on the Dock Road, was but a wafting odour away from Scotland Rd,. And where better to get a nice piece of cheap, leftover tin, to turn into the vision now offered on eBay, than from an oil can depot, especially the used tins?

 

But what about the painted transfers on the concertina tin you may ask? No problem, just up the road from Jacob’s is Eric Bemrose (Crane’s was still a musical powerhouse when well established Bemrose gave you the first, biggest ever giant printing process (nearly a million copies) to bring out The Eagle comic with Dan Dare and the Mekon in 1950.

 

So what’s the further connection? The concertina-playing Mekon perhaps…yes that evil little man (looking sick-green without his regular does of pub smoke=filled atmosphere) is a reality.

 

According to Jon Moore (http://www.jonmoore.info/history.htmwith appropriate cuts to make it fit the "facts" of this brief "history") “Dave Townsend (expert on West Gallery music, arranger and performer of the music for dance scenes in BBC TV’s Pride and Prejudice, and undoubtedly the best English Concertina player in the country) played concertina, accordion, and keyboards. …. SIDMOUTH FESTIVAL (Then a folk festival)…. The band did not last long, despite many festival gigs. …..Jon met ROD STRADLING, (melodeon player and seminal musician on the folk scene for the last thirty years. [

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/ses/magazine/ses...tina&op=and ]

….and finally “ It sometimes included members of THE MEKONS ….”

 

You never know where a concertina will lead you…

 

Why didn't I pen this over the seasonal break when more reading time was available….

[Paul Read]

JACOB'S BISCUITS CONCERTINA - Maker? Country? Anglo-Irish, German, Crane double puff cream with Guinness flavour?

190279179983

How much time do you have....? Bit like dating a Lachenal perhaps or asking where Cranes were made, assembled, distributed? Is it an Irish concertina or an English German Anglo?

 

To help shortcut this question one could try and a new approach: ask if the seller can 'smell' the item and let us know, in the way that people talk about gunge and odours from inside a tina from being played in smoke-filled pubs......

 

Why? You might well ask!

 

Putting to one side the Waterford (1881) and then Dublin roots and then the splitting off in 1922 of the branch in Liverpool, Jacob's Biscuit factory in Long Lane (2km long) at various stages not only produced the smell of biscuits across the surrounding area. Next door were Mother's Pride Bread and also Hartley's Jam factories. A summer evening produced the perfect aerial tea smell ... providing the wind was blowing from the west across the fields of the vast estate of the TB hospital and a dairy farm. However, if the wind was blowing from the east then the olfactory music of teatime had to cope with the country odour of the main sewage farm for the area next to the English (not Anglo) Electric factory where some of the first air powered (jet bellows) planes were built.........

 

So does the tin smell of Guinness? But that could be Liverpool or Dublin of course so no clear ID there.

 

Could making biscuit tins have been a sideline by inventive scousers at Crane & Sons (and or Brothers)? The main shop, offices and their Crane Hall (later Neptune Theatre) were in the heart of Liverpool in "Hanover" St., only a 30 minute tram ride from Long Lane. With a street name like that, there is a research route to be followed up in terms of German Anglos......

 

Someone somewhere suggested Crane’s did not manufacture, but they certainly had something at 217, Scotland Rd. (http://www.concertina.com/maccann-duet/Maccann-Concertinists-Guide.pdf).

 

Scotty Road has always been where the “busies” always went out on patrol in threes and it is unlikely such an area would boast a classy showroom, so one would assume it was a factory (or warehouse for storage or re-assembly?) . This is half way on that tram route from Long Lane – surely not a base for Scottish concertinas and accordions?).

 

This could offer another odour clue. Does the box smell of oilcake, cattlefeed, cooking oil? Bibby’s, oils for the Empire, on the Dock Road, was but a wafting odour away from Scotland Rd,. And where better to get a nice piece of cheap, leftover tin, to turn into the vision now offered on eBay, than from an oil can depot, especially the used tins?

 

But what about the painted transfers on the concertina tin you may ask? No problem, just up the road from Jacob’s is Eric Bemrose (Crane’s was still a musical powerhouse when well established Bemrose gave you the first, biggest ever giant printing process (nearly a million copies) to bring out The Eagle comic with Dan Dare and the Mekon in 1950.

 

So what’s the further connection? The concertina-playing Mekon perhaps…yes that evil little man (looking sick-green without his regular does of pub smoke=filled atmosphere) is a reality.

 

According to Jon Moore (http://www.jonmoore.info/history.htmwith appropriate cuts to make it fit the "facts" of this brief "history") “Dave Townsend (expert on West Gallery music, arranger and performer of the music for dance scenes in BBC TV’s Pride and Prejudice, and undoubtedly the best English Concertina player in the country) played concertina, accordion, and keyboards. …. SIDMOUTH FESTIVAL (Then a folk festival)…. The band did not last long, despite many festival gigs. …..Jon met ROD STRADLING, (melodeon player and seminal musician on the folk scene for the last thirty years. [

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/ses/magazine/ses...tina&op=and ]

….and finally “ It sometimes included members of THE MEKONS ….”

 

You never know where a concertina will lead you…

 

Why didn't I pen this over the seasonal break when more reading time was available….

So it's not a Lachenal then?