susan Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Hi, I have two concertinas which belonged to my Grandfather. One is a Wheatstone & Co.48 button serial no. 4082 date of sale 1851 (see Hornimans museum web site , Wheatstone & Co. ledgers, Wayne C1047 page 37. The other is a C. Jeffries 21 button. Both are in need of restoration. I can find very little information on the latter. I would appreciate some advice about where to look for a serial number on this! I am going to sell both of them and would appreciate a bit of advice first. I can email pictures if anyone is interested! Thanks Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Sue, Jeffries concertinas don't have serial numbers, and it's just about impossible to make any useful comment about either instrument without seeing photos. What most of us do is upload them to a service like Photobucket, so you can display them here. That's how I'm displaying this smiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Sue, Jeffries concertinas don't have serial numbers, and it's just about impossible to make any useful comment about either instrument without seeing photos. What most of us do is upload them to a service like Photobucket, so you can display them here. That's how I'm displaying this smiley: Thank you Stephen, I will upload the pictures to Photobucket My account is called sjr_021 ! Thank you for your help! Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I will upload the pictures to Photobucket My account is called sjr_021 ! Sue, If you simply left click on the IMG Code of a photo in your Photobucket, that will copy it, then paste the result in the box (when you're posting) here and the photo will appear in your post. It's much the easiest for everybody that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 I will upload the pictures to Photobucket My account is called sjr_021 ! Sue, If you simply left click on the IMG Code of a photo in your Photobucket, that will copy it, then paste the result in the box (when you're posting) here and the photo will appear in your post. It's much the easiest for everybody that way! Thank you Stephen for all your help I will follow your advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 I will upload the pictures to Photobucket My account is called sjr_021 ! Sue, If you simply left click on the IMG Code of a photo in your Photobucket, that will copy it, then paste the result in the box (when you're posting) here and the photo will appear in your post. It's much the easiest for everybody that way! Thank you Stephen for all your help I will follow your advice Pictures are now available for my Wheatstone and C Jeffries Concertinas Please follow the links below http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Jeffries http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Wheatstone Please cut and paste into your browser to view Regards Sue If anybody could please give me any information on either I would be most gratefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dunk Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hello Susan, I won't comment on the Jeffries anglo because they're not my thing. The 48 button English is a very basic model with only four fold bellows and is in a particularly dreadful condition, goodness only knows what it's like inside. My best advice would be to put it on ebay and see what you get. You may get lucky. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but I've done my best to give you an honest appraisal. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Prebble Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hello Susan, I won't comment on the Jeffries anglo because they're not my thing. The 48 button English is a very basic model with only four fold bellows and is in a particularly dreadful condition, goodness only knows what it's like inside. My best advice would be to put it on ebay and see what you get. You may get lucky. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but I've done my best to give you an honest appraisal. Pete. Hi Pete, Maybe 'dreadful' from a players point of view, but fairly standard condition for a repairer/restorer. I like them like this - generally means they have not been faffed about with too much by well intentioned owners. Obviously the price would reflect the condition. I see nothing that cannot be easily fixed, but would want to see a picture of the heart of the instrument - the reeds. Assuming these are in reasonable order, this should make a nice instrument. Similarly, a picture of the reeds in the Jeffries would be helpful. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hello Susan, I won't comment on the Jeffries anglo because they're not my thing. The 48 button English is a very basic model with only four fold bellows and is in a particularly dreadful condition, goodness only knows what it's like inside. My best advice would be to put it on ebay and see what you get. You may get lucky. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but I've done my best to give you an honest appraisal. Pete. Hi Pete, Maybe 'dreadful' from a players point of view, but fairly standard condition for a repairer/restorer. I like them like this - generally means they have not been faffed about with too much by well intentioned owners. Obviously the price would reflect the condition. I see nothing that cannot be easily fixed, but would want to see a picture of the heart of the instrument - the reeds. Assuming these are in reasonable order, this should make a nice instrument. Similarly, a picture of the reeds in the Jeffries would be helpful. Dave Hi Dave, I think you're absolutely spot on on standard condition for a repairer/ restorer. I've seen far worse on the internet ie. bellows torn asunder! The black tape on the Wheatstone covers a half inch split (approx)! Both the concertinas are complete with black cobb webs and haven't been faffed about with Will try and post pictures of cobb webs and reeds over the weekend! Cheers Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 The 48 button English is a very basic model with only four fold bellows Looks closer to five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Pictures are now available for my Wheatstone and C Jeffries Concertinas Please follow the links below http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Jeffries http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Wheatstone Please cut and paste into your browser to view Regards Sue If anybody could please give me any information on either I would be most gratefull. Sue, I would tend to the same view as Dave Prebble, both instruments are not YET player's instruments, but from the pictures it would appear that they present no more than the 'average' standard of challenge to a competent restorer. If you can show photographs of the reed pans with sufficient clarity to see the reed details, it would help substantiate overall condition and potential. You will have realised that the 48k is an English system concertina, my concern is that it may have brass tongued reeds. The 20k (+1 air button) is an Anglo concertina, and you will need to eventually establish the two keys the instrument will play in. Does the Anglo have any Jeffries stampings on the wood work anywhere? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 Pictures are now available for my Wheatstone and C Jeffries Concertinas Please follow the links below http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Jeffries http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/Wheatstone Please cut and paste into your browser to view Regards Sue If anybody could please give me any information on either I would be most gratefull. Sue, I would tend to the same view as Dave Prebble, both instruments are not YET player's instruments, but from the pictures it would appear that they present no more than the 'average' standard of challenge to a competent restorer. If you can show photographs of the reed pans with sufficient clarity to see the reed details, it would help substantiate overall condition and potential. You will have realised that the 48k is an English system concertina, my concern is that it may have brass tongued reeds. The 20k (+1 air button) is an Anglo concertina, and you will need to eventually establish the two keys the instrument will play in. Does the Anglo have any Jeffries stampings on the wood work anywhere? Dave Yes Dave, The concertina is marked with the name C. Jeffries MAKER. If you look on the first picture it can be seen at the top to the left of the screw on the leather strap. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan Posted August 20, 2008 Author Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hello Susan, I won't comment on the Jeffries anglo because they're not my thing. The 48 button English is a very basic model with only four fold bellows and is in a particularly dreadful condition, goodness only knows what it's like inside. My best advice would be to put it on ebay and see what you get. You may get lucky. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but I've done my best to give you an honest appraisal. Pete. Hi Pete, Maybe 'dreadful' from a players point of view, but fairly standard condition for a repairer/restorer. I like them like this - generally means they have not been faffed about with too much by well intentioned owners. Obviously the price would reflect the condition. I see nothing that cannot be easily fixed, but would want to see a picture of the heart of the instrument - the reeds. Assuming these are in reasonable order, this should make a nice instrument. Similarly, a picture of the reeds in the Jeffries would be helpful. Dave Hi Dave Here are a couple of photos of the heart of the instruments (warts and all)! The R11 is written in lead pencil and I noticed that Paul Schwarz Jeffries had R14 written inside. If you look at the two images next to each other the writing is very similar. R is obviously for right but what is the significance of the numbers. http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/R11.jpg http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/s...WheatstoneL.jpg Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex West Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 Hi Dave Here are a couple of photos of the heart of the instruments (warts and all)! The R11 is written in lead pencil and I noticed that Paul Schwarz Jeffries had R14 written inside. If you look at the two images next to each other the writing is very similar. R is obviously for right but what is the significance of the numbers. http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/sjr_021/R11.jpg http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/s...WheatstoneL.jpg Regards Sue Sue The pencilled numbers are most likely batch numbers. Unlike Wheatstone, Jeffries didn't have a ledger and a sequential numbering system(so far as is known). The number 11 would be to ensure that all the elements of that concertina in that batch were kept together during maunfacture/assembly. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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