Anyone Have A Wakker Midi Concertina For Sale?

[Michael Eskin]

I've been waffling on whether or not to buy a Bb/F, but got to thinking maybe I should invest in a nice MIDI concertina, then I can just switch to whatever key is in fashion this year with my flat piping buddies. Seems like every year the key in fashion changes, one year its C, next year its B, then C#, then C again...

 

There's about an 18 month waiting list for the Wakker AMC-30 MIDI anglos, anyone just happen to have one languishing on a shelf that they'd like to turn in to a pile of cash immediately? :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

Edited September 5, 2007 by eskin

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I've been waffling on whether or not to buy a Bb/F, but got to thinking maybe I should invest in a nice MIDI concertina, then I can just switch to whatever key is in fashion this year with my flat piping buddies. Seems like every year the key in fashion changes, one year its C, next year its B, then C#, then C again...

 

There's about an 18 month waiting list for the Wakker AMC-30 MIDI anglos, anyone just happen to have one languishing on a shelf that they'd like to turn in to a pile of cash immediately? :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

 

Michael,

 

Indeed I do. What an odd coincidence! I'll email you.

 

Ken

[Hooves]

I've been waffling on whether or not to buy a Bb/F, but got to thinking maybe I should invest in a nice MIDI concertina, then I can just switch to whatever key is in fashion this year with my flat piping buddies. Seems like every year the key in fashion changes, one year its C, next year its B, then C#, then C again...

 

There's about an 18 month waiting list for the Wakker AMC-30 MIDI anglos, anyone just happen to have one languishing on a shelf that they'd like to turn in to a pile of cash immediately? :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

 

 

 

The discussion of MIDI boxes has come up often on these threads, howver I have yet to hear anybody describe what sort of Sound/Synth module they are using with thier MIDI boxes. Obviously, we can make the box sound like anythign from electric grand to whale calls, but is there a recommended or suggested sound module which produces a realistic Concertina sound?

 

I suspect a harmonica type sound would actaully work, but how real would it sound?

 

Perhaps a good project would be to sample some real boxes, at different attack rates for veclocity sensitive MIDI boxes, and make that availble for more realistic box sound.

[Michael Eskin]

Signed, sealed, and delivered! I'm going to try it with a variety of synths modules and softsynths, will report back my finding and perhaps post a recording or two.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

[ragtimer]

The discussion of MIDI boxes has come up often on these threads, howver I have yet to hear anybody describe what sort of Sound/Synth module they are using with thier MIDI boxes. Obviously, we can make the box sound like anythign from electric grand to whale calls, but is there a recommended or suggested sound module which produces a realistic Concertina sound?

 

I suspect a harmonica type sound would actaully work, but how real would it sound?

I have a Yamaha MU15 sound module -- about hte size of a paperback book, can run on batteries, has good Harmonica, Accordion, Bandoneon, and Reed Organ sounds.

 

However, if I had a MIDI tina (I've seriously considered building a Hayden Duet version), I'd take advantage of the other voices available. Something on the LH with a fast attack, like piano or pipe organ or even Hammond organ, jsut to get away from the sluggish, slushy attack of real reeds down there.

 

And being able to solo Violin or Flute or Oboe or Distortion Guitar on the RH would be a kick. I suspect every MIDI tina owner does things like this late at night wiht the shades drawn, using headphones

Perhaps a good project would be to sample some real boxes, at different attack rates for veclocity sensitive MIDI boxes, and make that availble for more realistic box sound.

I'd expect that Wim Wakker has done this, makes samples available to owners of his instruments, and can recommend synth boxes that can download samples (the MU15 I mentioned cannot do this).

 

Are there any small, portalbe synth boxes that can be sample-loaded?

Jeffries, or brass reedds, or bandoneon at the tweak of a button! --Mike K.

[Pete Dunk]

Are there any small, portalbe synth boxes that can be sample-loaded?

Jeffries, or brass reeds, or bandoneon at the tweak of a button! --Mike K.

 

As far as I am aware only a sampler can do this but my experience is limited to the mid and better end of the 'amateur' sound modules. I have a Roland Sound Canvas SC88VL which is a bit long in the tooth now but the bandoneon patch is excellent. My recording buddy has a Roland JV1010 and a Korg 05/RW. As I recall Chris Timson has a couple of really nice modules but all of these are simply synths and the sounds are electronically generated rather than sampled from real instruments.

 

The problem with sampling is that a fair number of samples have to be taken over the range of the instrument because the sampled notes can only be pitch shifted so far before they begin to sound distinctly odd. The equipment used is all high end and expensive stuff though and I've never had an opportunity to gain hands on experience with this kind of gear.

[Michael Eskin]

I'm using two modules with the AMC-30:

 

Roland JV-1080 with several expansion cards

Roland GS-M64 which I think is the rack mount version of the old SC-88.

 

I'm very curious about the Yamaha VL-70M, its optimized for acoustic instrument modeling.

[Chris Timson]

[The discussion of MIDI boxes has come up often on these threads, howver I have yet to hear anybody describe what sort of Sound/Synth module they are using with thier MIDI boxes. Obviously, we can make the box sound like anythign from electric grand to whale calls, but is there a recommended or suggested sound module which produces a realistic Concertina sound?

Well, if I want to sound like a concertina I pick up a concertina. The joy of a MIDI concertina is that you don't have to sound like a concertina. It opens your options a bit. If you are really in to silent practicing it doesn't matter that much what voice you select, you can still tell what you are doing with regard to dynamics etc. Some sort of organ works best in that regard.

 

I use two Roland JV-1080 sound modules (with additional optional orchestral and world music cards) with my MIDI anglo, one for each end. It's great to set the left hand to cellos, say, and the right to stereo strings. Or the left to cathedral organ and the right to brass. Or ... well you get the picture. I also have a Roland JV1010, which is about the size of a large paperback, for when I am taking the concertina out.

 

The reason I chose these sound modules is, I guess, the same as Eskin's. They sound really very good indeed, but cost not much more than peanuts (OK, expensive peanuts) on eBay.

 

he problem with sampling is that a fair number of samples have to be taken over the range of the instrument because the sampled notes can only be pitch shifted so far before they begin to sound distinctly odd. The equipment used is all high end and expensive stuff though and I've never had an opportunity to gain hands on experience with this kind of gear.

That's the wonder of eBay

 

I've built up a small but capable recording studio including my MIDI gear out of 10 year old components that all do the job very well and, in most cases, simpler than the latest gee-whizz every-digital-bell-and-whistle-bored-programmers-could-think-of equivalents for vastly less money!.

 

Chris

Edited September 11, 2007 by Chris Timson