dpmccabe Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Don't bid: 270125162780 The original item was 7407833345. These scammers are getting lazy--you'd think they'd have the sense to rewrite the description just a little... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 And some of the usual warning signs too: private listing and a brand new seller account with no feedback. These scams seem to come in waves--this is at the least the fourth in the last couple of weeks. I wonder if someone out these is periodically selling concertina scam opportunities to online crooks. Don't bid: 270125162780 The original item was 7407833345. These scammers are getting lazy--you'd think they'd have the sense to rewrite the description just a little... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmccabe Posted May 29, 2007 Author Share Posted May 29, 2007 Their automated reporting form isn't working right now for me (on any browser). Could someone else try reporting it using the item numbers I provided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Read Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Their automated reporting form isn't working right now for me (on any browser). Could someone else try reporting it using the item numbers I provided? Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Thanks. Paul-- It looks like this same original listing was used in at least one previous scam--see this thread. Their automated reporting form isn't working right now for me (on any browser). Could someone else try reporting it using the item numbers I provided?Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Zuraw Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Since the real Elkridge is near me I sent a message to the seller through eBay, just for fun. This was his reply: I am very sorry but i dont meet with buyers as it turns out that i am not much of a seller and i get ripped off all the time when making face to face deals also I am a little bit shy and I realy don't want to but i am willing to use an escrow company so you will have a 7 day inspection period and if not satisfied you will have your money back from them. Mail me if you are really interested... Scott Roberts (tupicoortyn). Ripped off, eigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Roma Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Don't bid: 270125162780 The original item was 7407833345. These scammers are getting lazy--you'd think they'd have the sense to rewrite the description just a little... I too filled out the form on ebay urging them to take down the listing before someone gets ripped off for a lot of money (the bidding is up to $600), but they have not responded to my email. I'm considering making a large snipe bid at the end of the auction to save a fellow concertina player from getting scammed. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 This is interesting--these guys aren't usually willing to do this. I wonder how he he plans to pull off his fraud with an escrow company involved. You might want to ask him to play some notes on the concertina over the phone if he won't show it to you, just to see what happens. Since the real Elkridge is near me I sent a message to the seller through eBay, just for fun. This was his reply:I am very sorry but i dont meet with buyers as it turns out that i am not much of a seller and i get ripped off all the time when making face to face deals also I am a little bit shy and I realy don't want to but i am willing to use an escrow company so you will have a 7 day inspection period and if not satisfied you will have your money back from them. Mail me if you are really interested... Scott Roberts (tupicoortyn).Ripped off, eigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdormire Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That was my first thought, if he was willing to use an escrow, it made me curious as to whether he copied the pictures of a similiar instrument, as opposed to taking his own of an inferior instrument. Still a fraud, just a different one. This is all speculation, of course. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) There are fraudulent Escrow services too! Edited June 2, 2007 by Theo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I did the same but it's still there, it's gone up to 1025 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmccabe Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 I'm considering making a large snipe bid at the end of the auction to save a fellow concertina player from getting scammed. Gary I challenge you to beat my bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainyanker Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 US $4,551.00 17 bids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 My guess is that the "buyer" is someone here who placed a high bid to protect others from being defrauded... US $4,551.00 17 bids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex West Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 $4551 doesn't seem a particularly high bid for a 30 key Jeffries - certainly not enough to "prevent" a defraud (how do you do that? if you place a bid, that's a contract to buy - don't you have to offer something stupidly high?). I communicated with the seller and the prospect of paying through an escrow account did ease my concerns a little, whilst I wasn't completely relaxed which is why I didn't go for a winning bid. He had a plausible story, but gave no extra information about the instrument which had me worried. I've not used an escrow service but I thought that it was up to the buyer to select the escrow provider - this should ease concerns over shady escrow services? Just possibly, it may be genuine and someone's got a bargain - albeit one which still needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I don't know...an exact copy of an earlier listing, a seller with a brand new account, a private listing, a seller who refuses to meet with a buyer in his neighborhood...all bad signs, especially in combination with each other. And the "prevent" bid, if there was one, could actually have been much higher, with the amount shown being one increment higher than the next highest bid. I'm definitely curious about where this transaction stands now. $4551 doesn't seem a particularly high bid for a 30 key Jeffries - certainly not enough to "prevent" a defraud (how do you do that? if you place a bid, that's a contract to buy - don't you have to offer something stupidly high?). I communicated with the seller and the prospect of paying through an escrow account did ease my concerns a little, whilst I wasn't completely relaxed which is why I didn't go for a winning bid. He had a plausible story, but gave no extra information about the instrument which had me worried. I've not used an escrow service but I thought that it was up to the buyer to select the escrow provider - this should ease concerns over shady escrow services? Just possibly, it may be genuine and someone's got a bargain - albeit one which still needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmccabe Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 I won the auction and I'm going to try reporting it again. I haven't heard anything from the seller yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Sylte Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I won the auction and I'm going to try reporting it again. I haven't heard anything from the seller yet. GOOD WORK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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