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C.jeffries On Ebay July 2006


PeterT

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45 key Anglo (probably converted Duet).

My money would be on it having been made as an Anglo, I've had plenty just like it, including the first Jeffries I ever got (off Neil Wayne!). Indeed, I know that these 4-row Anglos were sometimes converted into duets for people by Jeffries themselves, as Jim Harvey (another former Secretay of the ICA) told me that they did it to his for him, many years ago.

 

The square black leather case appears to be of later date than the concertina. I expect the original one would have been one of Jeffries' beautiful six-sided brown leather "jug" cases.

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45 key Anglo (probably converted Duet).
My money would be on it having been made as an Anglo, I've had plenty just like it, including the first Jeffries I ever got (off Neil Wayne!). Indeed, I know that these 4-row Anglos were sometimes converted into duets for people by Jeffries themselves, as Jim Harvey (another former Secretay of the ICA) told me that they did it to his for him, many years ago.

Rather than argue about conversions, I'd like to point out that I see nothing in the auction text to indicate that this is an anglo, and not a duet.

 

Edited to remove an erroneous comment.

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45 key Anglo (probably converted Duet).
My money would be on it having been made as an Anglo
Unllike my own, it doesn't have at thumb button for the left hand.

Jim,

 

I don't know what photo you're looking at, but I'm sure I see one in this picture from the listing :unsure: :

 

04_12.jpg

 

Otherwise, the instrument appears to be too early to have been built as a Jeffries duet, and would need to have been later converted for it to be one.

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Unllike my own, it doesn't have at thumb button for the left hand.
I don't know what photo you're looking at, but I'm sure I see one in this picture from the listing :unsure: :

 

04_12.jpg

 

Otherwise, the instrument appears to be too early to have been built as a Jeffries duet, and would need to have been later converted for it to be one.

Stephen, you seem to be right about the thumb button, so I've removed that error from my earlier post. Curious, though, that the seller says it's 44 buttons.

 

I won't dispute you on age and what sorts were made when. I don't have enough experience. But I would want to query the seller about unisonoric vs. bisonoric, just to be sure.

 

And looking at that photo enlarged, that thumb button -- which I earlier thought was just a highlight reflection in the fretwork -- appears to be smaller diameter than the other buttons. Hmm. So does one on the right-hand side. Was that common, or am I being fooled by a trick of the lighting? :unsure:

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With all the additional buttons, would it have been a standard tuning with the "accidentals" duplicated for ease of playing?

Peter,

 

They usually finger the same as a 38/39-key Jeffries, but with a varied assortment of odd accidentals (often seemingly to suit the player?) on that fourth row.

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Curious, though, that the seller says it's 44 buttons.

Jim,

 

Lots of people only count the fingered buttons, and don't include the thumb key.

 

But I would want to query the seller about unisonoric vs. bisonoric, just to be sure.

Fair point, though the odds are very much in favour of it being an Anglo.

 

... that thumb button ... appears to be smaller diameter than the other buttons. Hmm. So does one on the right-hand side. ... am I being fooled by a trick of the lighting? :unsure:

I think it's more a trick of the camera angle/perspective.

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The scammers must have liked it.

They didn't waste any time cloning the advertisement with this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jeffries-Early-Superb-...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

They only want $262.84 (US) with $62.58 shipping. I especially liked their Steinway Grand Piano listed in their sellers other items for only $1,001.29. I would have expected both to be worth more than that. Both are buy it now prices. Maybe the high prices are starting to finally come down????? Almost makes me want to call them. After all they've been very busy today cloning ads.

 

Maybe they are cloning their own clones. OH! NO! it looks like the attack of the jeffries clones!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jeffries-38-key-Anglo-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Clone number 2 only $175.32. At this rate in a few days they may pay us to take them. Prices coming down fast. Nah I still won't bite.

 

Thanks

Leo

 

Edited to add clone of a clone

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45 key Anglo (probably converted Duet). No description of keys.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jeffries-Early-Super...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

Dear PeterT

 

The seller says "The sounds are sweet!".

So, I think the key is not C/G.

I don't feel C/G sounds are sweet(you know, honky sounds).

I have 45 G/D, the sounds are very sweet. :)

(But I don't know other keys, D/A e.t.c. ):(

 

wakasaobama

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45 key Anglo (probably converted Duet). No description of keys.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jeffries-Early-Super...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

Dear PeterT

 

The seller says "The sounds are sweet!".

So, I think the key is not C/G.

I don't feel C/G sounds are sweet(you know, honky sounds).

I have 45 G/D, the sounds are very sweet. :)

(But I don't know other keys, D/A e.t.c. ):(

 

wakasaobama

Hi Wakasobama,

 

Do you know my friends Masayoshi and Maki Koizumi?

 

For me, I say:

 

C/G :)

B'/F :) :)

G/D :(

 

But that's just my personal preference.

 

Regards,

Peter.

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Hi Wakasobama,

 

Do you know my friends Masayoshi and Maki Koizumi?

 

For me, I say:

 

C/G :)

B'/F :) :)

G/D :(

 

But that's just my personal preference.

 

Regards,

Peter.

Dear PeterT

 

I don't met Koizumi family, but I know their homepage. :)

http://homepage1.nifty.com/melodeon/

 

Are you Know Mr. Yoneyama?

He is patriarch(?) :lol: melodeon and concertina player in Japan (I think).

Mr. Koizumi start melodeon and concertina under the influence of Mr. Yoneyama.

And he collect huge accordion doll.

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Stage/8883/

And he made famous Japanese TV characters.

 

wakasaobama

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Dear PeterT

 

I don't met Koizumi family, but I know their homepage. :)

http://homepage1.nifty.com/melodeon/

 

Are you Know Mr. Yoneyama?

He is patriarch(?) :lol: melodeon and concertina player in Japan (I think).

Mr. Koizumi start melodeon and concertina under the influence of Mr. Yoneyama.

And he collect huge accordion doll.

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Stage/8883/

And he made famous Japanese TV characters.

 

wakasaobama

 

Hi Wakasaobama,

 

Masayoshi and Maki (and daughter Tomo) visit me approximately every two years.

 

I don't know Mr. Yoneyama, but the web site is very interesting.

 

Regards,

Peter.

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What a lot of money. Is that going rate? (sorry: ignorant duet player asking!)

Well, £4100 is a lot of money. Fully restored Jeffries seem to be going for about £4500, so I guess that the answer is "yes", on the assumption that not a lot needs doing to this one, or can be done cheaply.

 

Regards,

Peter.

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And note that Chris Algar (cocoa111) who would have been buying it for mark-up, repair (if necessary) and re-sale, offered £3750 for this one.

 

Daniel

 

What a lot of money. Is that going rate? (sorry: ignorant duet player asking!)

Well, £4100 is a lot of money. Fully restored Jeffries seem to be going for about £4500, so I guess that the answer is "yes", on the assumption that not a lot needs doing to this one, or can be done cheaply.

 

Regards,

Peter.

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And note that Chris Algar (cocoa111) who would have buying it for mark-up, repair (if necessary) and re-sale, offered £3750 for this one.

 

Daniel

 

And he didn't even bid for this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1

- maybe he's on his holidays!

It sold for £4211 ....and it 'only' needs £100 spent on it! :o

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