Suttner english tenor (sold)

[psmooze]

Suttner english tenor. He doesn't seem to be making new english concertinas anymore,  

so this might be your chance. Perfect condition and tuning. Steel reeds, 48 key serial no 

1080. Asking for 3000 euro.

 

 

Edited March 26 by psmooze
concertina sold

[psmooze]

[juan jose]

psmooze, could you please send an audio recording so we can appreciate the sound of this beautiful instrument?

[Wolf Molkentin]

I’m the new owner - smooth transaction, thank you!

 

(and not disappointed as yet, has a good feel and sweet sound to it)

 

for a start I had to get over the infeasibility of transforming it into an F tenor; however, dealing with just slightly diverging fingerings has to be a healthy challenge, similar to using closely-related languages als they say 

 

Edited March 26 by Wolf Molkentin

[psmooze]

Enjoy it, it's a fine instrument!

[conzertino]

Is it a 48 key tenor-treble or a true F-tenor??

[Wolf Molkentin]

not an F tenor (and unfortunately no swapping of  B/Bb reeds feasible either, as pointed out), but nevertheless a tenor regarding the positioning of the thumb loops

[4to5to6]

I'm curious... what is the note range? Down to a C instead of a G?  Interesting.  Does the F key line up with the middle of the LH strap instead of the C key?  Why couldn't you swap the reeds?  Different size reed frames?

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[Wolf Molkentin]

yes and yes 😊

 

and as to the reed frames, they differ in fact, not in size but in their length: mainly due to having been tailored (shortened) to the respective angle of the reed pan‘s edge (or even corner)

[4to5to6]

Thanks Wolf.  
 

What is the range to help me understand your Suttner better?
 

How do you find playing it with all the keys shifted up one row in relation to the thumb straps?  The 56 key Wheatstone model 14 Aeola also does this. It’s similar to a tenor treble but goes down to low baritone G therefore a G to G range versus the TT’s C to C range.  Some of them have extra long pinky slides to help accommodate this shift.

 

you could still turn it into an F tenor of course by filing some reed tongues down and possibly replacing a few tongues if they get overly thin but obviously not an easy swap back again if you change your mind. I could possibly make you a few custom reeds if you wish.  Mr. Robert Pich has much more experience about this swap over than I do.

 

All the best,

John

[John Wild]

4 hours ago, 4to5to6 said:

How do you find playing it with all the keys shifted up one row in relation to the thumb straps?

I used to have a 48 button tenor with that layout. The 48 buttons still conformed to the standard English pattern.

I found that once I identified the different physical starting point, everything fell into place.