Anyone use the highest pitch right hand button on Anglo C/G?

[SIMON GABRIELOW]

My ( late Father's ) accordion.. which I inherited over 20 years ago...a two row button type in C/C  sharp. Like most of these kind has two reeds slightly tuned out of phase ( mildly discordant) which gives the vibrato effect and its distinctive sound. Another sound effect to do with sound physics🌝

[Clive Thorne]

14 hours ago, wschruba said:

 

Undoubtedly has to do with how you perceive the "space" between the different overtone series.  There is no physical 'note', and you can see that when you look at a strobe tuner--nothing registers.

 

NB, the 'Tartini Effect' is different from the beating that you hear between overtones.  When rapid, beating can almost sound like clicking, when slow (as in equal temperament fifths), it can feel like a slow, 1 second pulse.  The tritone ('diablo en musica'), for instance, beats rapidly, and is held to be an unpleasant sound, as a result.  Western music tends to like gentle, 5-7 beats per second as "nice" sounds as a result.  This is what classically trained Western singers are encouraged to cultivate in vibrato.  Tartini tones are easier to hear in high registers--play the top of the "C" row, C and E.  Can you hear the 'ghost' of the C below?  Can you still hear it when you play the octave below?

 

I don't see it as a bad thing, incidentally--it becomes almost a part of the instrument, and you can even use it to your advantage.  A quint, on an organ, can make use of the phenomenon to make a sound bigger than would be expected, for instance.  Since normal organ stops are arranged in octaves, usually pulling stops just adds an octave up or down to the sound.  A quint plays [an octave or two octaves plus] a fifth from whatever key you depress...so principal tone, plus a fifth, played by one key.  That note sounds bigger, incidentally, than either note by itself, all neatly wrapped up in one key.

 

 

Thank you.

 

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[Kathryn Wheeler]

On 4/14/2025 at 9:41 PM, SIMON GABRIELOW said:

Perhaps sometimes people are reluctant to use the really high notes because it tends to use the small fingers more ( considered the weaker ones)? But is good practice to try and use both hands and all fingers you can ( particularly when beginner) to build up suppleness for more advanced ( and higher notes) music later on🌝It can pay off for those upper notes🌝

 

You can also shift hand position and/or come up with a fingering so that you don't play everything with the little finger.  

[Clive Thorne]

On 4/16/2025 at 12:11 PM, Kathryn Wheeler said:

 

You can also shift hand position and/or come up with a fingering so that you don't play everything with the little finger.  

Although, if you use that little finger you will find that it soon "mans up" to the job. If you avoid using it then it then you never will and you'll end up only using 3/4 of the hands potential! All IMHO of course.