Table of Anglo concertina weights

[LR71]

Curious about how much we're lugging around, I put together a table of weights.  These are from posts here, and Suttner's website. 

I rounded up to the nearest .1 kg, and converted kg to lbs.  Usually no specifics are given, in particular whether it has metal or wood ends, so just rough estimates.  And weight isn't everything.  Still, I hope this is of interest.

 

Carroll 30 key C/G 1.1 kg 2.4 lbs
Dipper Merlin 36 Key C/G 1.5 kg 3.3 lbs
Dipper Singswell 36 Key D/G 1.7 Kg 3.8 lbs
Edgley 30 key Bb/F 1.4 kg 3.2 lbs
Edgley Heritage Anglo 1.5 kg 3.3 lbs

Edgley 24 key C/G 7 fold metal 1.3 kg 2.9 lbs
Edgley 30 button 7 fold G/D  1.4 kg 3.1 lbs

Flying Duck Duckling, 20-button G/D hybrid, wooden ends, 6-fold bellows 1.1kg 2.4 lbs

Flying Duck Duckling, 22-button Bb/F hybrid, wooden ends, 7-fold bellows 1.2 kg 2.6lbs

Irish Concertina Co Silver Eiru 31 key C/G Wooden ends 7 fold Bellows 1.3 kg 2.9 lbs

Kensington 1.4 kg 3.1 lbs

Marcus de-luxe 30 key G/D wood/metal ends, 7-fold bellows 1.4kg 3.1 lbsMorse Ceili  1 kg 2.2 lbs
Norman 32 Key C/G 1.2 kg 2.7 lbs
Suttner rosewood/metal     1.3 kg 2.9 lbs
Suttner TC Rosewood Ends 1.2 kg 2.7 lbs
Suttner A4 38 Button Metal Ends 1.5 kg 3.4 lbs

Wolverton  30 key C/G wood/metal ends 7 fold bellows 1.4kg 3.1 lbs

Wolverton 40 key C/G metal ends 7 fold bellows concertina reeds 1.6 kg 3.5 lbs

 

Old table of Anglo weights (almost all vintage instruments)

 

And for good measure, some button diameters:

 

Standard classic size was 3/16" 4.7mm.
Metal buttons often 3/16" too, but if bone 6mm or  1/4" 6.35mm
Some Linotas 5.7mm

Irish Concertina Co 5mm metal capped
Kensington 6.35

 

I play a Kensington, thus that last.

Edited August 13 by LR71

[alex_holden]

Holden No. 2 31b C/G 6.25" wood 1.3kg 2.9lb

Holden No. 5 32b C/G 6" wood 1.2kg 2.6lb

Holden No. 6 38b G/D 6.25" metal 1.5kg 3.3lb

Holden No. 8 31b C/G 5.75" wood 1.1kg 2.4lb

Holden No. 11 32b C/G 6" wood 1.2kg 2.6lb

Holden No. 15 39b Bass G/D 8.75" wood 2.9kg 6.4lb

 

NB No. 8 also had wooden buttons and aluminium reed frames. Although it is the lightest instrument I've built, I was a little surprised it didn't turn out even lighter.

 

I've used a bunch of different button diameters depending on client preference. Most commonly either 4.7mm or 5.7mm. Incidentally it seems that Suttner at some point switched from 4.7mm to 5mm.

[LR71]

Thanks Alex.  Perhaps other makers will chime in.  That's interesting that Suttner would changeover like that, what players were asking for I'd reckon.

 

Also interesting that Jeffries somehow slapped together a 45 button that only weighed 1.5 kg.  Perhaps after 38 it's mostly in the piccolo range?

[Takayuki YAGI]

For comparison:

21 hours ago, LR71 said:

Edgley 30key Bb/F 1.4 kg 3.2 lbs
Edgley Heritage Anglo 1.5 kg 3.3 lbs
Edgley 30 button 7 fold G/D  1.4 kg 3.1 lbs

Edgley 24key C/G 7 fold metal 1.33 kg 2.93 lbs

[LR71]

Added that little Edgley.  Does it have traditional reeds?  Actually, all other things being equal, which weighs more - hybrid or trad?

[Roger Hare]

I assume these are meant to be typical values for specific models? You can add the following to the list:

 

Flying Duck Concertinas Duckling, 20-button G/D, wooden ends, 6-fold bellows 1.1kg 2lb 7oz

Marcus de-luxe 30-button G/D, wood/metal ends, 7-fold bellows 1.41kg, 3lb 2oz

Wolverton Concertinas 30-button C/G, wood/metal ends, 7-fold bellows 1.40kg 3lb 1.5oz

 

All three have a drone, which I have not included in the 'button count'...

 

Weighed on my kitchen scales, hence the use of ounces...

Edited August 8 by Roger Hare

[alex_holden]

12 hours ago, LR71 said:

Also interesting that Jeffries somehow slapped together a 45 button that only weighed 1.5 kg.  Perhaps after 38 it's mostly in the piccolo range?

 

Not an Anglo so I didn't mention it before, but I built a 48 button duet that weighs 1.3kg and has a similar range to a C/G.

[Takayuki YAGI]

12 hours ago, LR71 said:

Added that little Edgley.  Does it have traditional reeds?  Actually, all other things being equal, which weighs more - hybrid or trad?

It is hybrid.

[LR71]

Added Roger's instruments.  Is the Marcus a hybrid?

[Robin Tims]

Irish Concertina Co 31 key  Silver Eiru C/G Wooden ends 7 fold Bellows 1.284 kgs / 2.83 lb  5mm metal capped buttons

 

(the same but fitted with alternative more flexible bellows 1.254 kg / 2.8 lb)

[Roger Hare]

21 hours ago, LR71 said:

Added Roger's instruments.  Is the Marcus a hybrid?

Yes, it is a hybrid - from memory, I think all Marcus branded instruments are hybrids?

 

Now I think about it, the Flying Duck is neither one thing nor t'other- it is constructed using recycled/salvaged reeds from other instruments. I dunno if that makes it 'hybrid' or 'traditional'?

Edited August 9 by Roger Hare

[alex_holden]

48 minutes ago, Roger Hare said:

Now I think about it, the Flying Duck is neither one thing nor t'other- it is constructed using recycled/salvaged reeds from other instruments. I dunno if that makes it 'hybrid' or 'traditional'?

 

I believe the reeds were salvaged from accordions, making it a hybrid IMHO.

[LR71]

Sorry, I meant the Wolverton, they make their own reeds for their advanced model.

 

Added Robin's instrument.

[Roger Hare]

1 hour ago, LR71 said:

Sorry, I meant the Wolverton, they make their own reeds for their advanced model.

Yup! Jake built it for me to my own spec'. It is therefore 'traditional'. A truly wonderful piece of kit!

[Roger Hare]

3 hours ago, alex_holden said:

I believe the reeds were salvaged from accordions, making it a hybrid IMHO.

I wasn't sure if the reeds were exclusively from accordions. If that's the case, you'll get no argument from me - a hybrid it is!

 

Sadly, there will be no more Flying Ducks. I regard myself as extremely fortunate to have acquired one - it's an amazing little instrument...

Edited August 9 by Roger Hare

[Takayuki YAGI]

On 8/8/2024 at 12:21 PM, Roger Hare said:

Flying Duck Concertinas Duckling, 20-button G/D, wooden ends, 6-fold bellows 1.1kg 2lb 7oz

Flying Duck Concertinas Duckling, 22-button Bb/F hybrid, wooden ends, 7-fold bellows 1.18kg 2.6lbs

[Jake Middleton-Metcalfe]

I could weigh some of my instruments to add on here, by the way was the Wolverton concertina on the list made with accordion or concertina reeds? 

[Roger Hare]

32 minutes ago, Jake Middleton-Metcalfe said:

...by the way was the Wolverton concertina on the list made with accordion or concertina reeds? 

Concertina reeds. You built it for me few years back, though I can't remember the serial number at the moment.

 

I think I collected it from you the day after the 'For Folk's Sake' documentary was first broadcast on BBC 4, because we discussed the program while I was collecting the instrument - which puts it (I think) at April 2 2019...

Edited August 10 by Roger Hare