Łukasz Martynowicz Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, seanc said: if a person can live with completely missing a note. Or, can adjust everything to play only in one key. I suppose a 37 is great. but, it would drive me absolutely insane.. When I look at and consider this It all i can think of is the Steven Wright "I bought an irregular phone" joke.. "I saw a close friend of mine the other day... He said, "Steven, why haven't you called me?" I said, "I can't call everyone I want. My new phone has no five on it." He said, "How long have you had it?" I said, "I don't know . . . My calendar has no sevens on it." Well, Elise has drove me to enough insanity to spend easily more than 1000 hrs spread onto nearly a decade to learn how to, and build a box by myself The byproduct of it is that, well, I now know how to build concertinas, so I think I thanks to Wim Wakker are in order for making such an annoying box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 19 minutes ago, Łukasz Martynowicz said: Well, Elise has drove me to enough insanity to spend easily more than 1000 hrs spread onto nearly a decade to learn how to, and build a box by myself The byproduct of it is that, well, I now know how to build concertinas, so I think I thanks to Wim Wakker are in order for making such an annoying box All kidding aside.. i think that the CC entry line is really fantastic. They are good playing boxes at very low prices. And they give a lot of people the opportunity to delve into the concertina world. that they offer a duet at all is amazing. Just really wish they had been able to make it 42 buttons. As, at least for me, would be a must have and a great entry into hayden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunks Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, SmougyG said: I have wondered about trying other systems and was even curious if I can get the results I'm looking for out of an anglo, but I do feel very limiting compared to a duet. Cranes are an interesting alternative. Do they sit around the 6 1/4 flat to flat range? In spite of the conventional mythologies and lack of even a mention in many discussions of this sort, The Jeffries duet is alive and thriving. It is a marvelously versatile instrument with plenty of range in a 50 (or even 44) button 6 1/4" box. It's derived from the Anglo and has few or none of the disadvantages mentioned above. The fingerings are simple and the "core" key is varied. I've just had one of mine "fettled" from C old pitch to D with fantastic results. I believe any maker tooled up for Anglos with a will could make you one.....😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The OP asked about upgrading from an Elise to a more capable Hayden, not switching from an Elise to a Crane, Maccann or a Jeffries. FWIW. I have (twice!) bought Cranes when wanting to upgrade to a concertina reeded instrument. It is probably just me, but it messed up my mind for playing either instrument! I decided that I had to stick to one or the other and I strongly preferred the Hayden layout to the Crane layout even though I preferred the sound of the New Model Crane. So, I have a nice 55B Lachenal New Model Crane that I really must get around to tidying up ready for selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Schulteis Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 16 minutes ago, Don Taylor said: The OP asked about upgrading from an Elise to a more capable Hayden, not switching from an Elise to a Crane, Maccann or a Jeffries. 3 hours ago, SmougyG said: I have wondered about trying other systems and was even curious if I can get the results I'm looking for out of an anglo, but I do feel very limiting compared to a duet. Cranes are an interesting alternative. Do they sit around the 6 1/4 flat to flat range? 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Steve Schulteis said: 😉 Fair does! You caught me, copper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corbin Collins Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) The Elise drove me insane with frustration. The Troubadour drives me insane with pleasure and satisfaction. It’s so small and it sounds so great. I would never expect to play in keys too far from C G F D on a Hayden instrument. That’s not why I got it. Plus you can usually play partial chords in about any key if you need to. It takes creativity. That’s part of the fun. I hardly ever really play full-on chords on the left hand anyway! Less is more, to me. Edited February 10 by Corbin Collins Added more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmougyG Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Corbin Collins said: The Elise drove me insane with frustration. The Troubadour drives me insane with pleasure and satisfaction. It’s so small and it sounds so great. I would never expect to play in keys too far from C G F D on a Hayden instrument. That’s not why I got it. Plus you can usually play partial chords in about any key if you need to. It takes creativity. That’s part of the fun. I hardly ever really play full-on chords on the left hand anyway! Less is more, to me. You seem like the guy to talk to then on the matter of the Troubadour. Did you notice any difference in the action or the quality when comparing it to playing an Elise? Did you go for the standard bellows or the upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corbin Collins Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Standard bellows. Not even the same instrument. The Elise is pretty much a toy, very useful to some from what I read. I found it unplayable. The Troubadour . . . Throw it in my grave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 15 hours ago, Łukasz Martynowicz said: I’m currently in the process of designing a small, about Troubadour sized, square 3D printed, 46-50b box with a price tag likely between a Stagi and Troubadour. Will it have hand straps or your signature “antlers” arrangement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Łukasz Martynowicz Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 11 hours ago, David Barnert said: Will it have hand straps or your signature “antlers” arrangement? If everything works out, it will have a chpice of handling systems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Morrison Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi, I am the UK dealer for The Troubadour and can say without a doubt that this concertina has a wonderful fast action and is superbly built. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmougyG Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 On 2/11/2023 at 7:28 AM, Łukasz Martynowicz said: If everything works out, it will have a chpice of handling systems. How is that prototype working out? Any updates ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Łukasz Martynowicz Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 15 hours ago, SmougyG said: How is that prototype working out? Any updates ? Waiting for the reeds to arrive I started renovating my workshop and it prooved more labourous than I thought (115 years old building is full of surprises). The concept phase is done however, I just can’t start printing it for another month or so. But while my schedule is delayed, my goal stands firm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmougyG Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 2 hours ago, Łukasz Martynowicz said: Waiting for the reeds to arrive I started renovating my workshop and it prooved more labourous than I thought (115 years old building is full of surprises). The concept phase is done however, I just can’t start printing it for another month or so. But while my schedule is delayed, my goal stands firm. That is exciting to read. Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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