Jump to content

Lachenal Anglo steel reeded in keys A-E


Recommended Posts

I have an A-E concertina on the bench for restoration. No: I do not mean Ab-Eb. This A-E is a weird tuning for an Anglo, as an English player these keys are no issue, but what sort of music would such an Anglo be used for? A Maj (3 sharps) is the key beloved of fiddlers and other racing car drivers, the E major key (4 sharps) I see in some traditional hymns. 

 

This concertina has been seriously played in it's life time so it must have had a niche,  but I am intrigued by it's application. The date is around 1895. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi David,

I have a 30k Jones Anglo tuned A/E probably from the very last few weeks of the companies existence (No. 28064). It is "Verdi" tuned to A=432 Hz and although I have no proof, I am assuming this was because it was an orchestral instrument for a particular piece or part of an arrangement or  as a remote possibility, for e.g. a Salvation Army band specialising in community singing. I'm leaving this as it is because I really like the sound and sonority of it and I play it at home for my own pleasure.

I also have an A/E (now all tuned A=440Hz), 20k Lachenal that was originally a C/G instrument but has been re-tuned at some time, probably in the 1890's  (it was made in approx 1885}. I've resisted doing anything about changing the tuning of this as the reeds are now so mangled. Its quite fun (as the Anglo is a transposing instrument) to play well known tunes usually originally in the keys of C or G just to see what they sound like and to assess if its worth changing the key signature and writing a new arrangement for the new key.

Lastly, its just possible someone may want an A/E instrument in order to get a full set of all possible tuning options. I had this ambition once only lacking a B/F* and C/C*. Eventually I came to the conclusion it was a pointless exercise and also, under pressure from my wife, am trying to downsize my collection of over 30 instruments to more manageable levels

Apart from the above purposes I can't see any other reasons for having something in A/E.

Mike

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Years ago at one of the Noel Hill US concertina classes, 1996 IIRC, one of our classmates brought a new (to him) 26 button Jeffries Anglo concertina as originally tuned in A/E. While obviously being a bit short on notes, that was one fine sounding instrument. Why it was tuned at that pitch combination no one knows, but when it sounds that good - who cares?! Was great on airs.

 

Ross Schlabach

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I had an AE to sell a few years ago.  It hung around for quite a while but eventually went to an accomplished Irish musician who hand been searching for an AE to play along with a piper who liked to play a set of pipes in B.  Using the fingering that would give D major on a CG gives B major on an AE

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The most recent addition to my collection is a lovely Jeffries 38 key in A/E, it's from the C. Jeffries maker period tuned to approx. A=444. I have no idea what it was used for in the past, but for me A/E is pretty much the ideal anglo tuning; C/G can get a bit high across the top end, but with a G/D you are almost getting into baritone territory, A/E sits nicely in the middle with an instrument that sounds lovely and is responsive across the whole range. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Lach74693, I did read the article before posting, by the way, I used to be in digs in Urmston when at university, is the Nags Head still going? most of my grant went over that bar. 

 

Cohen, Interesting observations, so I guess we are looking at a tenor singing range?, good for accompanying sopranos?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have a 20 key, rosewood ended Lachenal in A/E. Serial number 57778, labelled Thos Dawkins. It’s the original tuning as reed stampings correspond to actual pitch. It has the Lachenal trademark. Probably dates to about 1879(?) Found in a bric a brac shop in northern Tasmania.    

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, d.elliott said:

[1] Thanks Lach74693, I did read the article before posting, [2] by the way, I used to be in digs in Urmston when at university, is the Nags Head still going? most of my grant went over that bar. 

[1] Aye, I suspected that you might have seen the article, but it's quite old now, and I thought that some of t'other posters might not be aware of it, as it's sort of well-hidden. You only know it's there if you know it's there - if you see what I mean. It's an interesting article in it's own right, I think.

 

I think I stumbled across the article when I acquired my lovely Ab/Eb (it's tuned in 'Old Phil', I think) which got me interested in different 'configurations'. (Thinks - that Ab/Eb needs tuning...☹️)

 

[2] Yup, the Nag is still going strong - I think you may have mentioned this a while back - I seem to remember about the time they had a refurbishment. Still selling pints at about one-half 'Lunnon prices', though I haven't been in myself - I frequent the Conservative Club by Chassen Park and the miniature railway...

Edited by lachenal74693
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/16/2021 at 9:18 PM, lachenal74693 said:

[1] Aye, I suspected that you might have seen the article, but it's quite old now, and I thought that some of t'other posters might not be aware of it, as it's sort of well-hidden. You only know it's there if you know it's there - if you see what I mean. It's an interesting article in it's own right, I think.

 

I think I stumbled across the article when I acquired my lovely Ab/Eb (it's tuned in 'Old Phil', I think) which got me interested in different 'configurations'. (Thinks - that Ab/Eb needs tuning...☹️)

 

[2] Yup, the Nag is still going strong - I think you may have mentioned this a while back - I seem to remember about the time they had a refurbishment. Still selling pints at about one-half 'Lunnon prices', though I haven't been in myself - I frequent the Conservative Club by Chassen Park and the miniature railway...

 

I remember the darts nights in the tap room at the Nag, playing on a wooden 'Manchester board'. I don't remember a miniature railway back in the late 1960's.   The days of my very miss-spent youth

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/19/2021 at 11:23 AM, d.elliott said:

I remember the darts nights in the tap room at the Nag, playing on a wooden 'Manchester board'. I don't remember a miniature railway back in the late 1960's.   The days of my very miss-spent youth

 

Golly, I haven't seen a "Manchester board" since the early '70s, when I was a student there myself...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...