Baritone edeophone in b flat

[scoopet]

For sale.

Metal ends , 9 fold bellows, 

A very fast and responsive baritone in concert pitch ,but pitched in b flat.

When played normally it sounds a tone lower.

Restored a couple of years ago by Mike accot.

£1950 o.n.o

Based down in Devon.

[Bassconcertina.net]

Cool Instresting

[scoopet]

I would consider swapping it for a really good wooden ended treble if that helps!

[Stewart Dean]

I have one of these in mint condition and it is a lovely box.  Reasonably quick (baritones are always slower to speak, as is any low register instrument, but this is quick for a baritone.)  You can hear it here along with a soprano Edeophone:
http://www.squeeze-in.org/2013Concert/2013Concert-EditedAudio/1016A-MiddleOfNight-MP3.mp3

Mine has a metal strip around the edge.  These boxes are heavy and not particularly strong...they roll off the table easily and break like an egg, so baby it

Wim Wakker of the Concertina Connection once had an 'effin gorgeous amboyna baritone Edeophone.  For your drooling:

https://www.concertinaconnection.com/lachenal edeo baritone.htm

 

Your box is utterly worth having...but dunno if it needs to be put right first.....

[Geoff Wooff]

This one looks to  have  metal  ends  that  run  right to  the  outer  edges.  Looks  strong  and solid.  How  would  you describe  the  tone ?

[scoopet]

Geoff, 

  Don't get too many complaints from the family, and the dog remains in the room....so I'm guessing it sounds good!....As with certain lachenals the reeds seem to be set exceptionally well, so the response is very fast.

   It's worth noting that if you changed the b and b flat reeds around and the e and e flat reeds you would have a 48 key baritone treble.....

[Little John]

18 hours ago, scoopet said:

It's worth noting that if you changed the b and b flat reeds around and the e and e flat reeds you would have a 48 key baritone treble.....

 

It's not quite that simple. I have an F-bass which I converted to a C-bass by having the B and Bb reeds swapped over. But later I found that left me with Db where one would expect D#. I think you would have the same problem with two of the accidentals.

[scoopet]

You are right little John!!!!!....but I can't remember the last time I played a d sharp let alone a d flat 😀

Edited October 5, 2021 by scoopet

[scoopet]

I have been playing it as a baritone treble quite alot as it is at the moment, just remembering that b flat and e flat are in the middle columns not in the outer ones.....takes a little thought, but if I can do it , it can't be too tricky!

 

 

 

 

[Bassconcertina.net]

On 10/5/2021 at 6:19 AM, Little John said:

 

It's not quite that simple. I have an F-bass which I converted to a C-bass by having the B and Bb reeds swapped over. But later I found that left me with Db where one would expect D#. I think you would have the same problem with two of the accidentals.

I would have kept it as an f bass but its just my opinion. By the way by f bass you mean phartaphone right?

[scoopet]

Here's a couple of better photos...

Rather than sell it, I would prefer a straight swap for a wooden ended treble of roughly the same value!

[scoopet]

Hi all,

   I'm bumping this big edeophone again....since last offering this for sale/swap Nigel sture has replaced the valves,fine tuned and tweaked the reeds...it plays superbly.

   It is however my only concertina...and since breaking my wrist 3 months ago ...trying to play this is not helping my recovery ...hence I'm offering this for a swap for a decent treble English concertina which will be alot lighter........

[scoopet]

United Kingdom only please!

Edited January 5 by scoopet

[LesJessop]

I've sent you a p.m.

[4to5to6]

Very nice and interesting Edeo.

[Matt Heumann]

This may seem like a dumb question, but if ECs are fully chromatic instruments, why did they need to make ones in different keys? Please enlighten me.

[pgroff]

1 hour ago, Matt Heumann said:

This may seem like a dumb question, but if ECs are fully chromatic instruments, why did they need to make ones in different keys? Please enlighten me.

Some players found this convenient Matt, especially those playing parts written for bands. As with other "transposing instruments" (like "Bb band instruments" including Bb trumpet or clarinet), the music might be written in C but play in Bb. This can simplify the fingering even for some ear players who want the music to be produced in the flat keys, and also allow the use of band music written for those Bb parts.

 

True, a completely chromatic instrument like an english concertina or guitar or piano can play in all keys. Yet many guitarists use a capo, and Irving Berlin supposedly could only finger a piano in the key of F# major - he had a "transposing piano" that shifted the keys so the resulting music could come out in other keys. So transposition in the design of the instrument, or the set-up of the instrument, is often used even by accomplished musicians to simplify the fingering. 

 

PG

Edited April 7 by pgroff

[4to5to6]

It’s like a guitar player slapping on his capo 😃.  I’ve personally learned to play the English in all keys but just like a fully chromatic piano, less sharps or flats tend to be a bit easier.
 

How often have I heard a guitar player say “Let’s move it up a fret” sliding their capo up.  The piano player never complained but going from C to C# is going from no sharps or flats to seven sharps. Ouch!

 

Not too common, but a few concertinas are dropped down this full step to Bb so they and the Bb / Eb brass players have it easier together.  There are also C trumpets and saxophones.  The rare EC is tuned to F major (transposed from C to F).to give a deeper sound.  
 

There are many variations of English concertinas with different ranges.  English concertinas come in 48key piccolo, treble, baritone and G-bass, all an octave apart with the exact same fingering.  You can also extend these ranges up or down with 56 or even 64 keys.  Think of the string section in a symphony or say regular soprano, but also bass and contrabass clarinets, etc.