Bassconcertina.net Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Hello Im look to see if anyone has any recommendations for concertina makers that will custom make a g bass EC. kane, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Smith Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I would recommend Andrew Norman (http://www.acnorman.co.uk/). He has recently developed a bass Anglo and I am sure would look at any ideas you have. He looked at making a Wheatstone Double Duett for me and came up with a plan (though I didn't follow it through, as I had other projects on the go). Andrew has repaired a few concertinas for me and has always done a very good job, so I would recommend him. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassconcertina.net Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Peter Smith said: I would recommend Andrew Norman (http://www.acnorman.co.uk/). He has recently developed a bass Anglo and I am sure would look at any ideas you have. He looked at making a Wheatstone Double Duett for me and came up with a plan (though I didn't follow it through, as I had other projects on the go). Andrew has repaired a few concertinas for me and has always done a very good job, so I would recommend him. Peter thanks but I also need single action and he uses accordion reeds witch are double action thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mellish Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Bass Englishes are usually single action, but why do you need that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Oliver Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Colin Dipper has made some 48 key English double action basses, essentially for the West Country Concertinas group at Ruishton, Taunton, and he has mended my single action Wheatstone C bass. His son John (the folk fiddle man!) seems to be taking the business over now at Heytesbury, Wilts. I don't know whether anybody has made any with double reed pans (ie. two at each end, one with the big bass reeds, and lots of wooden plumbing, which reduces the size a bit. I don't know whether that needs to be single action either.) There is a tremendous variety in bass concertinas - they were probably all made to custom specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassconcertina.net Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Richard Mellish said: Bass Englishes are usually single action, but why do you need that? because i here a lot of bad things about double action basses like that they dont sound as good and that there slow reacting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassconcertina.net Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Nick Oliver said: Colin Dipper has made some 48 key English double action basses, essentially for the West Country Concertinas group at Ruishton, Taunton, and he has mended my single action Wheatstone C bass. His son John (the folk fiddle man!) seems to be taking the business over now at Heytesbury, Wilts. I don't know whether anybody has made any with double reed pans (ie. two at each end, one with the big bass reeds, and lots of wooden plumbing, which reduces the size a bit. I don't know whether that needs to be single action either.) There is a tremendous variety in bass concertinas - they were probably all made to custom specs. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Smith Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Bassconcertina.net said: thanks but I also need single action and he uses accordion reeds witch are double action thanks again When I tried Andrew Norman's bass anglo I thought it was pretty resposive given the size of the reeds. If you are within striking distance of Shrewsbury it might be worth a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 For a time I had a full 48-button double action bass. Its main drawback was that it was much heavier than a single action. If you can get a double action bass with a reduced range, maybe 36-buttons, that would be more manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassconcertina.net Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, John Wild said: For a time I had a full 48-button double action bass. Its main drawback was that it was much heavier than a single action. If you can get a double action bass with a reduced range, maybe 36-buttons, that would be more manageable. Thanks I also had an idea to convert a double action bass into single action by removing the pull reeds and the valves that are right beside those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Bassconcertina.net said: Thanks I also had an idea to convert a double action bass into single action by removing the pull reeds and the valves that are right beside those I suspect removing the reeds only would not make much difference to the weight. You would still have a larger instrument in its larger frame. There is the question of the overall size needed to accommodate extra reeds/reed chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 8:23 AM, Richard Mellish said: Bass Englishes are usually single action, but why do you need that? 1. Weight, big reeds are heavy 2. double action big reed instruments need big valves, which (no matter how skilfully set up) are slow to respond and can cause breathiness and delays in note sounding 3. there is more room in the instrument to enable better balanced reeds which have a better tone, more power and responsiveness 4. more room in the concertina for a better compass, especially on 'G' basses 5. cheaper to make. 6 less effort to play, less tiring on the wrists and thumbs. and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 12:45 PM, John Wild said: I suspect removing the reeds only would not make much difference to the weight. You would still have a larger instrument in its larger frame. There is the question of the overall size needed to accommodate extra reeds/reed chambers. Actually John, it does make a difference to weight, think of all the brass in the reed frames that you would be setting aside, yes the reed frames are slotted but I recon that 48 reeds with an average weight of 25 grams, 1.2Kg.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 4 hours ago, d.elliott said: Actually John, it does make a difference to weight, think of all the brass in the reed frames that you would be setting aside, yes the reed frames are slotted but I recon that 48 reeds with an average weight of 25 grams, 1.2Kg.. Hello Dave. I may have misunderstood the point i was replying to, but I think I was saying the same as you in essence. I understood the suggestion was to remove the reeds only, and I suggested that alone would not make much difference to the weight. The reed frames and everything else would still be there. Sorry if I have misunderstood what was being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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