Liraman Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hi, I am a musician helping a friend here in Sweden to correctly date a Wheatstone English Concertina. My question is about abbreviations. What does ”N P” stand for? See the attachment. Best regards JanW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Nickel-plated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liraman Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, John Wild said: Nickel-plated Great - thanks! I was afraid it was for plannef but never produced, ie instruments that never made it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR71 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I found my 30 button 1936 anglo - I was interested to see that it's a week older than my mother, RIP. On its entry it says 55|R. Rosewood, I assume, was 55 the sales price? Why doesn't the ledger page have an index for all these terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, LR71 said: I found my 30 button 1936 anglo - I was interested to see that it's a week older than my mother, RIP. On its entry it says 55|R. Rosewood, I assume, was 55 the sales price? It's not the price, which was only £8 .. 10s on a late-1920's Wheatstone price list that I have, but No. 55 was the model number for Wheatstone's 30-key rosewood-ended (mid-price range) Anglos. Quote Why doesn't the ledger page have an index for all these terms? The ledgers were only factory records, kept by staff who knew what the model numbers and abbreviations meant, whilst we're still working out what they all signified today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR71 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I figured 55 shillings would be off the mark. Sounds like documenting what all these codes are would make for a worthy collaborative project here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, LR71 said: Sounds like documenting what all these codes are would make for a worthy collaborative project here. The codes themselves are no secret and can be found online in the Wheatstone Concertina Pricelists. There was a collaborative effort on here with the ledger description abbreviations years ago (I'll try and find it), but even the Wheatstone workers weren't always consistent in their descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR71 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I'm still confused, the only pricelists close to my 1936 are from 1910/1947 and just mention Class A or Class 4A, nothing about 55/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, LR71 said: I'm still confused, the only pricelists close to my 1936 are from 1910/1947 and just mention Class A or Class 4A, nothing about 55/R. I was forgetting that there's such a gap in the Anglo price lists there, but I'm fortunate enough to have THREE of them (2 originals and a photocopy) from the inter-war years. But any Wheatstone price lists are very rare, and especially the Anglo ones. I'll scan one and post it here. Only, of course, it would be a huge help if you'd provided the serial number, so I could see the actual ledger entry that you're trying to interpret/enquiring about. But, looking at the entries for nos. 33991-4 in January 1936 it's evident that 55 is in the column for model numbers, and R (for rosewood ends) and "30 Keys" are in the description column, whilst though 33997-9 are also shown as No. 55, they are described as N - the nickel-ended version of the same model. Edited April 21 by Stephen Chambers Edited to add final paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR71 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Mine is 34305. I'm truly puzzled why the ledgers website doesn't have every scrap of info in the world by now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, LR71 said: Mine is 34305. I'm truly puzzled why the ledgers website doesn't have every scrap of info in the world by now... You'd best take that up with the Horniman Museum, but it's a lifetime's study. Meanwhile, the entry for 34305 reveals very little except that it's a 30-key with rosewood ends (but you knew that already) and that it appears to have been one of a batch of Anglos that were started on 22nd October 1936, and completed on 27th October that year (4 days before my father's 16th birthday). Here's the 1929 Price List: Edited April 21 by Stephen Chambers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR71 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Thanks, Stephen. The LINOTA stamp on mine is hard to read, on others I imagine it's barely visible by now. I hadn't even bothered to check - I figured Linotas all had metal ends. I was interested to see a comment from you in 2004 that Quote The prices, and models, changed very little in the period we are talking about (they didn't have the kind of inflation we now take for granted), but cheaper construction/materials started to be used from about 1936 onwards. I wonder if mine is from this subpar era. I certainly like its sound, but it's kind of a chore to play, despite having a replacement action. On page 1 of that 19 year old thread you typed out a price list with the model numbers; these Horniman folks should really hang around here more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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