Maarten Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 As a beginning player of the english concertina, I am currently busy with 'how to control the bellow'. When to pull and when to push, whether or not to pull far out, whether or not in fan form etc. I can't find any real educational material about this. Is it useful, for example, to indicate the pulling and pushing in the music, like a violinist inscribes his up and down strokes? I feel it is an essential part of the concertina study. Who can help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefule Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I'm an Anglo player so can't comment in detail on the subtleties of bellows direction for English. In theory you get the same note in each direction, so the choice is yours between long legato (smooth) phrases with the bellows moving in one direction, or a more accented dance rhythm with the bellows pushing on the accented beat. However, as for "fan form", I don't think that is important in its own right. The bellows is a pump which moves the required quantity of air in the required amount of time. As long as you change the volume (capacity, not sound) of the bellows by the right amount, you will pump the right amount of air. Tricks like fanning the bellows across one knee may allow you to have more fine control, but the reeds won't "know" what shape the bellows are making. I remember reading, probably in this forum, of someone asking a more experienced player why they lifted one end of the instrument from their knee at certain points in the tune. They had seen this as some sort of technique to be copied or learned. The answer was simply, "Expression." Sometimes with music, things that make no theoretical difference to the sound help the musician (rather than the instrument) to produce the desired effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Mansfield Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 A change of bellows direction can be used to give the note a bit more attack or separation from the previous note, so can be used as a driver of the rhythm or pulse of the tune you are playing. As an exercise try playing a piece you already know, but changing bellows direction at the start of every bar. Then try it again changing at every half-bar, then again playing it in one direction for as long as possible and only changing direction when the bellows, rather than the pulse of the music, make you. All of the above are valid ways of playing, the musicality and expression of the music comes from using those effects ina conscious way. When you start to play chords you’ll need to be much more mindful of your bellows to create the sound you want. It will become more intuitive and automatic the more you do it, so you’re not facing a lifetime of consciously monitoring your bellows along with everything else - but it’s back to our old friend practice to getting there ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Hello Maarten, an interesting topic, I do not know if it is covered by any of the tutor ( method ) books. You might look at www.concertina.com to see if there are any articles. After many long years of playing the English I have started to examine and think about the bellows habits that have developed without much conscious input on my part. The first obvious point is the control of loudness and using this to emphasize rhythm and phrasing. Whilst playing with the bellows nearly closed it is possible to accentuate staccato playing with tiny bellows direction changes, many Irish anglo players use this closed bellows technique. The material of the bellows is somewhat flexible but its effect on the speed of air direction changes is minimized when the folds are not open far. So, the opposite situation occurs when the bellows is quite far open and a more legato , almost spongy, feel can be introduced to any dynamic use of pressure changes. The most important thing is to listen to what sounds are coming out of your instrument. Edited December 10, 2020 by Geoff Wooff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoover Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Hi Maarten, I would recommend you think of using the bellows to breathe the life into the tune. As in speaking and singing, there are natural pauses between phrases, so those would potentially be the times to change direction. Also, as others have mentioned, bellows changes can be for emphasis, dramatic and otherwise. And sometimes even out of necessity if you've mistakenly gone too far in either direction! I don't know where that whole fan thing came from, but I find it far too static and limiting for the EC. Watch players like Alistair Anderson and Simon Thoumire as they and their fingers dance all over the place, even swinging the concertina about for doppler effects. Learn the notes first and play them into your subconscious until they are almost automatic, and then experiment with how you want to phrase it. There's no right or wrong way, just how you choose to interpret those dots and make them sing. Gary Edited December 10, 2020 by gcoover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Maarten, much useful things have been said in previous replies. I always opt for "meaningful bellows (direction) changes", and albeit some things are easier to do on push (and perhaps again, others on the pull) I reckon, it's mainly about changes and not particular directions. I have never considered the "fan thing" for my playing, as I really need this little bit of extra attack (and cutting the sound away), and possibly even more the representation of bringing the dots to life in moving one end freely. Best wishes - 🐺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 Thanks everybody, for the good advise! I 'll struggle on, with a big smile on my face. Because I love it, playing the concertina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pythagoras Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 The education section on the Concertina Connection website has a discussion on 'bellows technique' which might be some help. http://www.concertinaconnection.com/bellows technique.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Frank Butler's tutor has a single page on bellows control. The recommendation here for beginners is to try reversing the bellows with every bar. Then, build up to every 2 bars, and continue to build up from there. The key comment is that it is important to make a change at a place which does not interrupt the flow of the music. Frank Butler tutor - bellows.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, John Wild said: The key comment is that it is important to make a change at a place which does not interrupt the flow of the music. That's perfectly true and strictly required - however the next step might be to deliberately interrupt a certain indifference in order to inspirit the flow of the music. edited to add: Therefore it should not be the only goal to expand one's capacities playing on one bellows but also to subdivide and structure the playing into smaller units... (which is the point where even a technically inferior instrument might help to develop certain skills - because it forces the player to inevitably change the direction more often). Best wishes - 🐺 Edited December 11, 2020 by Wolf Molkentin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Whilst much emphasis is put on arrangements for changing bellows direction and even to using the effect of changing as a way to add structure to the timing, I find it is also useful to change the pushing and pulling force, without changing bellows direction, as a way to add dynamics to a melody. This can produce a more subtle pulse to the music but perhaps it is not so useful on an instruments with a leaky four fold bellows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Geoff, I perfectly agree. Quite a lot can be done in this - as you are saying: subtle - way, including shaping the attack and (even more important as for me) "release" parameter of a note. I find it very useful to at times increase the applied force just when (if not slightly before) releasing a key. In fact, it will not be "release" in the common notion, the tone will die not with a whimper but a bang (or rather a louder cry), so to speak. Of course, again not in a spectecular way (despite my dramatic description), but quite effectice too. Best wishes - 🐺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wolf Molkentin said: Geoff, I perfectly agree. Quite a lot can be done in this - as you are saying: subtle - way, including shaping the attack and (even more important as for me) "release" parameter of a note. I find it very useful to at times increase the applied force just when (if not slightly before) releasing a key. In fact, it will not be "release" in the common notion, the tone will die not with a whimper but a bang (or rather a louder cry), so to speak. Of course, again not in a spectecular way (despite my dramatic description), but quite effectice too. Best wishes - 🐺 Indeed Wolf ! Lots of nice touches if we think of the bellows as our violin bow. Stay safe !! Edited December 11, 2020 by Geoff Wooff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Husmann Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Hello Maarten, interesting question. And a question that should be asked more often as yes, the concertina can easily be learned and therefore doesn’t need a lot of tuition like other instruments. But I’ve got the feeling that the most important part of the instrument doesn’t get enough attention. Depending on the music it’s worth to try out different ways of bellows directions: If you’re playing a long phrase at the beginning it’s sometimes useful to open the bellows and start pushing to eventually have more air for the than uninterrupted phrase. Putting on emphases has been mentioned before and yes, you’ve got more control with more closed bellows. And more than that articulation is another important part: Having a bit of pressure before pushing a button down gives a nice emphasis whereas when you push the button and than start moving the bellows you get a nice and soft beginning. Same thing for ending a note. Leave the button pushed down and the sound disappears softly, a quick release creates the opposite. Triplets can be played by using different fingers sometimes it is useful to keep the button pushed down and to do a quick change in bellows direction. Maybe it’s worth to take one or two lessons given by an accordion teacher, they might be useful … best wishes Edited December 12, 2020 by Christian Husmann Correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAc Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Hi Maarten, have you checked with this older thread? @Christian Husmann : It's interesting that you should suggest lessons from an accordeon teacher. I tried to go down that road as well and inquired with several professional accordeonists; they all refused to take me as a student, arguing that concertina and accordeon were way too different instruments (maybe it was just a polite way to let me know I'm a hopeless case... ☹️) anyways, yes, bellow control still appears to be a "holy grail" of concertina playing. Best of luck! Edited December 12, 2020 by RAc Misspelled the user name, that's a no no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Hello Forum, Yes, I am a beginning (english) concertina student struggling with the lovely instrument. But I must confess, I am also a professional musician. Clarinet player, teacher, conductor and composer. I taught clarinet methodology lessons at the Fontys conservatoire in Tilburg (the Netherlands) for many years. So I am very interested in 'how to teach/learn to play an instrument'. Nevertheless I am a beginning (english) concertina student. That is why I would like to thank you all for your tips, links, good advice and so on. In the meantime I have contacted my compatriot 😉Pauline de Snoo from the https://www.concertina.nl/nl/tutorseng.php I understand that many of you know her tutorial books. I am curious how she approaches this matter. Goodbye everybody, please keep me informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Maarten What instrument are you using? If it is a modern(*) low-cost concertina (Jack/Stagi**/Chinese import) with plasticized cloth bellows then that will not help you at all. If you have one of these and you are finding it difficult to get any expression out of the bellows when playing then it might be time to step up. Don. * I don't include the Morse or Concertina Connection mid-range concertinas in this list, but even then I would try to buy the best bellows that are available. ** See: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Maarten said: But I must confess, I am also a professional musician. Clarinet player, teacher, conductor and composer. I taught clarinet methodology lessons at the Fontys conservatoire in Tilburg (the Netherlands) for many years. Is this the same Maarten who I advised last month to learn some music theory? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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